YAHOO DeafRead!
Denver – Ever since I left a very famous and succinct comment at a DBC leader’s blog, a number of people have been up in arms regarding both the comment and myself. Additionally, there seems to be a large number of people who are misunderstanding what I meant when I left the famous message, which is as follows:
*laughs*
Gawrsh!
No wonder DBC sucks.
)
Paotie
So, lots of people are upset with that comment – mostly because of the smiley face. Really, the thing about my comment that has people so upset is not the fact that I said it, or that the truth really hurts – the thing of it is that too many people are demanding individuals or groups be singled out for not conforming to certain people’s definitions/demands/expectations for others.
At another blog earlier this week, there was a comment suggesting that people who are somehow not conforming properly towards Deaf culture needed to be “educated,” so that they would no longer harm the Deaf. In fact, that has been a constant over the past several months on DeafRead – continued calls for identifying and removal of certain people for not conforming to a select few and their demands.
McCarthyism
McCarthyism is a concept that many should become familiar with. In the 1950’s, if you sneezed into a Communist kleenex, then you would be condemned to making an appearance before Congress if you didn’t reveal all your previous exposures to Communism – real and imagined. If you even said “hello” to someone suspected of having ties to another person suspected of having red tissues, then you would lose your job, your house, and quite often, your family. In fact, one result of McCarthyism was the blacklisting of many Hollywood players (actors, actresses, directors, producers, etc.) which has since been depicted in countless movies and books.
*shoots a spitball across the room and into a bucket*
Mocking Behaviors
And then people are complaining that I mock Deaf culture. Or that I mock Deaf people. Well, golly-goodlums! I don’t mock individuals, but I will mock their behavior, especially if people act like their opinion is holier-than-thou.
Mostly, you know .. I tried the academic/professional approach early on as a blogger/commentator, but it became quite apparent to me that lots of people simply didn’t want to consider anything I said/wrote. I mean, first, I had to prove to certain DBC leaders I actually existed, and then I had to prove that I was d/Deaf, and then I had to prove who I was (again), and then well .. those of you from DeafRead know the rest of the story.
Crack a joke and people are up in arms! Make fun of ANYTHING in Deaf culture and people are ready to riot!
*laughs*
Of course I mock that. I mock it because it needs to be mocked. People take things way too seriously these days. When a fly lands in my Deaf soup, I just flick the damn thing out and move on with my life. That’s what a lot of people need to do.
Deaf Unity vs Division
There won’t be unity when there are people complaining about anti-conformists. I support and cherish Deaf culture. I love ASL. I want to preserve Deaf culture. But, there hasn’t been unity for a long time, primarily because some in Deaf culture seem to equate variations in perspectives, ideas and beliefs to be on par with evil. Deaf McCarthyism seems to be the primary motivation by many in Deaf culture, and if you dig a little deeper with regard to McCarthyism and its effects, you will notice that countless of people’s lives were destroyed by mere accusations.
Even the term, “guilt by association,” (click the link to learn more) was one that was frequently utilized by Senator Joseph McCarthy to accomplish his nefarious goals. I’m not going to expand on this as it relates to DBC leadership and the DeafRead editorial board. Instead, I hope people click the link above because it quite clearly illustrates the flawed logical approaches many have on DeafRead.
Note to DeafRead editors: I really don’t care if you ban me from DeafRead. I really don’t care if you agree with my blogs or my comments. I will say that DeafRead’s neutrality is quite suspect at the moment, and offer a suggestion: install Mike McConnell and/or Deaf Pundit as human editor(s) of DeafRead. Now that would ensure neutrality, so ya’ll might want seriously upgrade your editorial board.
Aigh’t?
Finally, back to the “DBC sucks” comment. What I really meant to say was that the Deaf Bullies Club (DBC) sucks. The DBC is not the same DBC that I mentioned in the comment at another blog, but the DBC I’m mentioning today is not the same as the other DBC even though they both share many common traits, most notably the DBC acronym.
Okay? You’d think a political organization that protests against other groups would have thicker skin than to freak the hell out over a simple and harmless comment.
Really, no wonder the DBC sucks.
Be good .. or be good at it.
Paotie
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Well, I don’t think DeafRead will ban you but your suggestion to provide additional human editors to “even the field” is something to think about. Though I don’t have time myself to do such a thing nor would I be interested in doing so. But I appreciate the word up on that idea.
Good to see that you’ve cleared up the “DBC sucks” comment. I don’t see them as an organization that’s neutral in their approach. It’s pro-active, sure via attacking and even playing the victim (their own) game. Just another special interest group, like NAD, with an agenda who cannot keep to neutrality when it comes to the politicking of Deaf culture.
Ahhh…Deaf Bullies Club… ouch. Also, I see that a parallel between McCarthyism and DeafRead (or Deafhood ? I am going to re-read Paddy book) has been made… I can see where you are going. Yeah, I did notice how quickly my husband got labelled as a deficit thinker just because he commented jokingly on your and Mike’s blogsites… guilt by association with you guys ;o).
I know, I know… I make a point to be more neutral and to delve deeper into “independent/critical thinking”, meaning no bashing no posturing no etc, reminding people that it is just my perspective only, not inviting any attacks. Same as yours, Paotie… your satires say beautifully that they come from your heart and mind and makes us think. It is when emotions are allowed to enter, things quickly become sticky and heated and the messages get mixed up along the way.
Good challenge to DeafRead’s human editors. A few of us have challenged Deafhood team to add a few more people to the team such as an oral deaf person, a late-deafened person, etc., but we have not heard anything about it. Guess we are not ASLians enough, since ASL is often not the first language of the majority of deaf people.
It was good to bring up the “neutrality” question. Are they really neutral in what they do? After all, we must remember this, we’re all human. Nobody’s infallible. Are they in a cocoon and not realize it?
Yeah, I have to admit to not being neutral (that is why I say “MY perspective…” definitely not a neutral statement.) It is when people start saying “You…” or other directorial words, then no neutrality there. Activists would accuse people claiming to be neutral “apathy”. I am wary of how we go about defining Deafhood and what it means to each of us and then being told we did not understand what Deafhood meant (hey, I thought Deafhood meant that we all had our own journeys… that it should not be the same, but at the end the pot of gold is usually ASL and the final acceptance into Deaf/ASLian Culture.) If we “choose” not to embrace ASL but fulfills all the requirements deemed to be part of deaf community… not good enough. It is like what Bible says… the way to God is through Jesus. So the way to Deaf/ASLian culture is through ASL? I think ASL is a great fun language, I use it a lot at home, my family uses it, we hang out with deaf people, my daughter goes to deaf school, my son wants to go back to deaf school on part time basis, etc. We just need to show tolerance and acceptance to deaf people who choose different communication methods.
Right, being human enough to realize our mistakes and learning from them. That is what makes us better, more open-minded people.
Paotie, *laughs*
You crack me up!! Big time!! It is good to know that you can laugh about it and move on… That is what makes you 10x a better man than those from well of Deafies. It is too bad tho… They don’t know what they are missing! All the popcorn and stomach aches!! It is totally worth it! Thanks and keep at it cuz most of us would be clueless as a California blonde (joke, joke!! Get it!) And the point about lighting up… Awesome!
Ah oh… I’m in the Deafie doghouse! But that is ok cuz there are a lot of people I like in that house! Woof. Woof!
Well, I don’t want to bash, but I wrote a comment in the DBC trying to explain what you were talking about, but it was never posted… Maybe because I used the words like: “dumb shits” and “get your head out of your ass” or was it “you are not a professional”… Among a 1000 other very rational words. Ummm… And then he bashes my wife and I got pissed! And wrote him again and it didn’t get posted! I was shocked!
But I don’t care cuz I know he read it.
Whatever… Watch the music video – “We Didn’t Start the Fire” by Billy Joel. It is still one of my favorites. This link is the best: Billy Joel – “We Didn’t Start the Fire” This video reminds me a lot about what Paotie said.
So, don’t worry about it cuz you are most definitely not alone! You are plenty of backers to shoot down the
Huh, remember folks, it is Brian’s perspective, not my perspective ;o)… yeah, guilt by association… he happens to be my husband, heh.
Well, DeafRead needs its Jonathon Swift anyway
)
Hey there.
Interesting post. Though uncomfortable to think about, your comparison of certain individuals or groups in the Deaf Community with McCarthyism is worthy of thought. But it could go both ways.
There are those within the Deaf Community who would view that certain people and groups in the Hearing world do not accept Deaf people the way they are. They would argue that try are trying to change them to conform to the larger hearing society by trying to make them Hearing (refusing to let their children learn signs, implanting the babies, etc.).
(*Note: I am personally remaining neutral here. I’m not talking about myself. I’m talking about certain individuals or groups within the larger deaf community.)
If the Deaf person chooses ASL over oral methods, if they choose not to get a CI or use hearing aids, they are suspect of becoming some kind of militant counter culture going against the grain of the larger hearing society. As a result, some of these Deaf people then find it more difficult to get a job, a house, and as we see lately from the genetic issues happening in Britain, a Deaf child if they want one. Kind of looks a little like McCarthyism here too.
So, while I do see your point, it’s a double edged sword. It can go either way between Deaf folks and hearing. McCarthyism or discrimination or whatever you want to call it, can be prevalent anywhere. And that’s what sucks.
You are a poignant, satirical and great writer. While your ideas are often profound, they are not always easy to digest. That’s okay. You’re good at being you.
You show great divergent thinking. Not everyone may agree with you, but you definitely cause folks to pause.
I do wonder though… (pausing)… about your following statement: “I support and cherish Deaf culture. I love ASL. I want to preserve Deaf culture.”
If this is true about you, I’d like to gently point out that your words do not always match your ways.
For example:
1) You patronize your Deaf readers (i.e.: “Well, golly-goodlums”) and talk down to them as if they were children.
2) If you truly cherish and support Deaf culture, why do you mock and make fun of cultural behavior? (i.e.: “I don’t mock individuals, but I will mock their behavior” “Make fun of ANYTHING in Deaf culture and people are ready to riot!”) Why mock? To mock is to treat with contempt or ridicule. Interesting approach you have. And you wonder why your readers balk back…. There outcry is a natural reaction to how you’ve set up the communication between you.
3) You don’t like bullies (i.e.: “the Deaf Bullies Club (DBC) sucks”), yet you sometimes come off as a bully yourself. You use subtle name calling (i.e.: “When a fly lands in my Deaf soup, I just flick the damn thing out…”). Are you calling people who disagree with you “flies?” This is how it comes across. You’ve created a scenario of you as the big guy and a fly (disagreer) as the little dude who is messing with your food! The use of the word “flick” shows power of this tiny insect. You may have just set yourself up as a ‘better than thou’ right there. It’s a trip!
4) You wrote: “I tried the academic/professional approach early on as a blogger/commentator, but it became quite apparent to me that lots of people simply didn’t want to consider anything I said/wrote.”
Perhaps this is because, regardless of the profound and poignant points you make, your satire and mocking of Deaf people may still subtly be present. If so, it will cause walls to go up and people won’t be able to open their minds about the message you have to share because they sense you are patronizing, belittling, ridiculing, mocking or telling them, in essence that they basically are wrong and they suck! Hmmm… how open minded can you be when someone tells you, YOU SUCK! ??
Not everyone has “thick skin” like you. (While I may be momentarily brave here by calling you on some of these things, I’m definitely soft-skinned and vulnerable, so please don’t beat me up!
(wink) ) Not everyone sees your comments as “simple and harmless.” You say, “the truth really hurts”, but your truth may not be my truth or his truth or their truth. We must all live our own lives, in our own time, and learn what is true for us, and basically respect those truths. That is often your own message, but the words don’t match your sometimes hurtful ways.
Keeping our minds clear of false beliefs is not an easy task, as it requires us to first know our beliefs. What you see on DeafRead are diverse deaf people trying to figure out just what they believe. We are all seeking for our own individual and collective truth. Very often, as you point out, these beliefs have settled deep in our unconscious minds where they simply sit unquestioned. You are the kind of writer that shakes things up and gets us thinking. Nevertheless, how you communicate with others definitely has an effect on our hearts, our minds, and our reality.
If you truly support and want to preserve Deaf culture as you say, you might approach your discussion with a bit more respect rather than ridicule. People might be more willing to listen. Just my 2 cents.
One other thing, if DeafRead human editors have omitted an occasional blog post of yours, you might want to consider that it might not be because of something you’ve written about Deaf culture that the editors disagree with. It might be the fact that your photos (like the woman with the large naked breasts in one of your posts a while back) simply violate the publishing guidelines set in the DeafRead rules. The photo with the guy smoking pot in this particular post shows you go for a shock response. Don’t be surprised when you get shocked folks responding and sometimes removing posts based on their goals for creating the kind of community readership they want. That is their perogative.
All this said, I do appreciate the point you raised in this post about McCarthyism. I will be mindful of this.
~ LaRonda
Oops!! Now, I’m in the doghouse!!
Just kidding! I know she still tolerates me! Bless her for that!
DeafRead editors are expected to be neutral when approving or Extra’ing posts. Often, we will approve posts with which we don’t agree with. As long as a post meets the DeafRead guidelines, it will be approved. There are no philosophical or editorial decisions to be made by the editors, other than determining if the post is Deaf-related or not.
We will never be perfect, of course, but we aim to do our best and so far the editors have done an absolutely outstanding job. We also have an open mind when our mistakes are pointed out to us and will correct our oversights.
LaRonda ..
You said:
“If you truly support and want to preserve Deaf culture as you say, you might approach your discussion with a bit more respect rather than ridicule. People might be more willing to listen. Just my 2 cents.”
Ridicule? Sure – lots of the stuff happening on DeafRead is ridiculous.
Thank you for the compliments, and I’m glad my satires make you think.
Paotie
Jared ..
You have your opinion, I have mine. My opinion is DeafRead is NOT neutral, and as you can see, I’m not the only one.
If I ran DeafRead, which I am not, I would never comment. I would not even post blogs. My focus would be on ensuring that people had no reason to dispute DeafRead’s neutrality.
Your comment suggests DeafRead is hardly a professional group, and more of the social club type group, unable to handle its business affairs in a timely manner.
I think you confirmed my (and others’) point that DeafRead ain’t all that it’s cracked up to be.
*laughs*
Paotie
LaRonda ..
One other thing: I didn’t say ANYONE SUCKED.
I said a group sucked. GROUP. G-R-O-U-P.
GROUP!
B .. at
BAT!
C .. at
CAT!
G .. roup
GROUP!
(Ahh, I looooooved that on the Electric Company)
The New York Knicks suck. What do you want me to do, send a letter to the team and explain that their lack of shooting, rebounding, passion and hot cheerleaders caused them to lose and lose lots?
Nah. The Knicks suck.
The Knicks are a group.
G-R-O-U-P
GROUP!
YAY!!
George Bush sucks, too.
Paotie
Ahh… semantics-shmantics.
The “suckiness” is still implied. Walls go up in groups just as they would individually. He/She/They won’t be receptive to ideas being told they suck.
By the way, I too, loved The Electric Company. “Heyyyyyy-yooooooou-Guuuuyyyyys!!”
Zoom was a favorite too!
~ LaRonda
*laughs*
Actually, LaRonda, I DID try to approach some leaders of the DBC in a respectful and dignified manner. The reaction I received was the “Where is Paotie” fun-ride.
At that point, the fun was really on.
So, I agree with you about the suckiness part. But, if DBC leadership wants to obsess over me as they have, I will just call what I see from the stands, so to speak. I am not a political player. I am not running for political office in Deaf Nation.
I don’t even participate in DBC affairs, yet at least one member of the DBC continues to single out those who might be different than their views, so at this point, there is no point in discussing anything with anyone over at the DBC where I’m concerned.
Frankly, as it turns out, it is far easier to get the DBC’s attention simply by stating something that might reflect poorly upon the DBC. That is not the sign of an organization that wants to help hearing parents. It is a sign of a group that is paranoid.
By the way, I loooooooooved the Spiderman feature on The Electric Company. It was sometimes the only thing I could understand (Spidey would “speak” in large, visual pop-up balloons – just like in comics).
They don’t make ‘em like that anymore.
Paotie
*blinks* Well thanks for nominating me as one of the DR editors. Doubt it would happen though.
Personally, I think the DR team is fine, and they try to do their best in maintaining neutrality. Could DR do better in attracting a more wide audience? Yeah. But that would require all of us bloggers and commenters to step up to the plate, and say, ‘Hey. We all need to be more tolerant and debate things in a more scholarly way.’
I’ve seen blogs where discussions of CI kids were held, and it just turned ugly. So I think in some ways, yeah, the ugly comments have painted the image of DR not being neutral, when it’s not really the case.
DR will post diverse blogs, but I suspect that word is probably out that if you’re an oralist, support CIs, or don’t believe in Deaf Culture, you’re gonna get bashed if you post your blog on DR.
What can DR do about that? They can’t step in when it comes to us commenting on individual blogs.
And as for DBC… Yeah. They need thicker skin, and they need to focus on making a difference, not squabbling with other bloggers and commenters over such trivial things.
I think you’re doing the right thing when it comes to them… They’re revealing more of themselves everytime you needle ‘em. 
*laughs*
As usual, Deaf Pundit, you are dead-on right.
Well, I’d vote for you, anyway.
DEAF PUNDIT in 2008!
VOTE DEAF PUNDIT 2008!
Paotie
Once again: DeafRead maintains that it does not endorse any of the blogs by the mere act of publishing. We are simply providing a central platform for many blogs so that visitors can easily find blog posts that are Deaf-related. Our purpose to help drive additional traffic to blogs to help them build their own core audience.
We have always encouraged DeafReaders to use RSS readers to subscribe to their favorite bloggers so that they will never miss any of their posts.
I do wonder why DeafRead routinely does NOT post the well-written blogs of some of my blogging CI’er favs. As far as I can see, their blogs meet the DeafRead critieria. It bothers me that they haven’t been picked up.
I don’t think YOU will be banned Paotie simply because you create too much drama, and drama = readership. Both you and Ridor have made good use of that. More power to ya’! It’s not my style but we each have our own ways of getting our points across. I tend to agree with LaRonda that you won’t win people over to your side that way, but they do take notice.
However, perhaps that’s the point. We each have a job to do. You get their attention. LaRonda calms them down. Someone else can take it from there. At least we’re talking about issues we might not have discussed previously.
Once again: DeafRead’s “neutrality” is suspect.
Paotie
All anyone needs to do is to compare the Front page to the Extra page to see how neutral or biased we are. From what I see, the editors have done an outstanding job in their decision-making of whether or not a post is Deaf-related or not. The numbers are solidly on our side.
Uh-huh.
*shoots a spitball across the room*
“Deaf-related or not” decision-making?
This is kinda like the editor of DeadRead using military-like terms and adjectives to describe different views on DeafRead.
Well, say what you want, but the more you comment, the more obvious it appears that DeafRead is not neutral as you claim it to be.
You can agree to disagree with me.
Paotie
Ok, I disagree with you.
YAY!!
See?
That was easy!
Thank you for your respect, Mr. Evans.
Paotie
Pfffft….Deafread, Boo hoo!
When John Egbert made his blog to attack and talk about Poatie’s in about two weeks ago, Deafread allowed John Egbert’s blog to enter the deafread! Get it, Deafread? Am I disappointed? Darn, I am!
Favorism, yes!
McCarthyism…..oh I see….
Once more, John Egbert labeled Paotie about being a sociopath person in his blog, “Are you willing to listen to a crit?”
Sociopaths vs. sucks
I thought that sociopath is much worst than suck.
John Egbert, you are a very, very mean person. Tongue spit on you.
Deaf Pundit, yes, you are our leader….Deaf Pundit POWER!
Yo Paotie,
You really do love to go for the shock thingy to stir things up! I guess I must be really behind in reading a lot of v/blogs. I guess it doesn’t surprise you when other v/blogs go for the shock thing too? So let me ask a couple of what will seem like stupid questions, what’s your real beef with the DBC group? Do you disagree with the mission statement on the website? Nope? You disagree with the baby signs (early intervention concept) Nope? Hmm, okay so what is it? Bullying? Where is this happening, on blogs or behind scenes? No, no, You said “group” not individuals. Yet surely can’t help but wonder after the war on thinking and behaving decificitly with John Egbert, you are bashing a whole group because of one person? Two or three? Who? McCarthyism is what you accuse them of, but as someone said, it could go both ways. Forgive me if I seem a little confused. You actually have several beefs actually all rolled in one so I gather there is more to this than meets the eye here, otherwise your posting of someone with a “rolled” up one getting high wouldn’t be there.
Can ya like, spell it out? What’s your *real* beef? What’s your goal with this? You hoping the DBC will….invite you to join them or something? Boy that oughta be fun!
Enlighten me. Smile…
Ahem, Jared. Interesting choice of words “Deaf-related” with a capital “D.” Wishful thinking with a Freudian slip?
Sheri ..
I don’t have a “beef” with anyone at all. Why would I?
The DBC is excellent writing material and even inspired the “oralititus” story I wrote.
As for joining the DBC, well .. let me put it this way. I write what I see and I write however I want to express what I see, so I don’t think the DBC particularly wants me to join them. If they asked, though .. I might consider it if I had some perks that came along with it. Like, ohhhh .. hmmmm .. free subscriptions to Deaf Porn!
The ultimate form of cultural expression – PORN!
Anyway, you seem a little “beefy.” Been working out there?
*laughs*
Paotie
Gawrsh!
I just did 10 push-ups and realized I was slightly more beefy than before! I will now consume one pound of raw beef to enhance my beefiness.
And then I’ll do 5 more push-ups so the beef I’ve been beefing up with will beefen me up to look much more beefier than before!
Zounds! Astounding scientific results will be extrapolated!
Paotie
Paotie,
What are you? Mr. Stickman? We don’t know. We’ve never seen your picture.
It makes me sad when you make comments about beefy people, since I too am a little bit “beefy” (sigh)
Kim
LaRonda-
Thank you for injecting a much needed dose of civility in this blog entry! I certainly don’t find the blogger funny.
Paotie-
The DBC certainly has an agenda. What’s wrong with that? Let them try to spread their gospel successfully or let them fail. Can’t you just agree to disagree and leave it as it is? Sometimes it’s better to take the high road…
Kim ..
Thought you were a believer of D.I.E. since you commented at Ella’s?
Beef in the context above meant “slightly overweight” to you. Beef in the context above meant, “muscular,” at least to me.
Thanks for asking to clarify that!
Paotie
I’ve wondered too about DR practices. Since they have lots of editors, maybe they’re not all on the same page with the “guidelines.” This could explain why certain posts makes the cut while others don’t. Suspect is probably a right word to use….
DBC on the other hand really blew it big time. I was more disgusted at their choice of going after certain people as part of their public relations campaign. Bully tactic, if you will.
Guilt by association is another thing called “control.” Bullies controls.
Paotie is a buffalo (as opposed to being a sheep), so to speak. I see many of his satire as being funny and it gives us a sublimal message, to not take things too seriously. This includes tendency of some to analyze certain things between the lines that isn’t really going to get us anywhere.
Did you read that happy people live longer? yeah Keep it coming Paotie~
Buffalo!?!
*snorts!*
Thank you!
*laughs*
Paotie
*Groaning, chuckling at the same time…* PAOTIE! I enjoy your humor. I understand how other people think, especially those who are perplexed by your choice of words. Yeah, I admit to immediately drawing line at your pornography interest (hmmph.) But that is you and I appreciate your intelligence and humor as I read more of your blogs and comments, understanding where you are coming from, even though I have never met you. You remind me a lot of my husband. I’d be dead meat if you and Brian got together… aaaaggghhhh! ;o)
You are funny.
Yeah, C, happy people OR people who understand and appreciate humor live longer… either way. So there is hope for me, hahaha…
lol
Yup, karen, there’s hope for us who put up with Paotie
What are the examples of posts that didn’t make on DR that should have been?
Oh BTW, I want an iPot (not the damn IPod)!! Or is it some iPot?? Party time!!!!
People, let’s laugh! “I certainly don’t find the blogger funny.” Oh god!! What is it with making a joke??!!
Was I funny in the first paragraph!! Hell, yes!! In the second one?? Hell, YES!!
Party time!!
ANNNNNNNNDDDDDD, Karen is a funny lady!! Believe me! She is making live to 200!! I can’t image that, but she does a good job!
C–
Buffalo? Bison?
Yeah, they are similar…
*Snorting* Screaming! Arghhhhh! *Snorting*
ROARRRRRRRR GRRRRRRR! See! Satisfied?
Get it….Poatie, that is what I love about you is….good job at the end of the story when you write in the satire.
Hey, Karen, I am jumping on your bandwagon.
Bison!?!
*SNORTS!*
Paotie
*laughs*
You know, the Europeans have a different word for bison:
Wisent.
Paotie
Keep slinging the cow-patties. And don’t forget to *flick* off the flies with that tail, heh.
Whoa….
Your’e from Colorado? You posted and stated Denver. If so, Colorado Buffalo vs. Gallaudet Bison. Wisent? Interesting.
I’m the alma mater from Gallaudet.
Darn…ready to fight?
*Snorts* Roarrrrrr! Grrr! *Snorts*
*laughs*
Actually, I’m not a big fan of CU, though Boulder itself is a legendary party town.
To be kind, I think CU would probably rout Gally in a football game. Basketball, though .. CU basketball sucks.
Oops! I did it again!
Anyway, can you imagine if Gallaudet won the national championship in football or basketball? And I don’t mean the small school divisions, either – I mean the BIG BOYS. The NCAA and the BCS.
Boy, talk about breaking down barriers.
Paotie
Yup, that would be nice. That is what our biggest hope for these big boys! We need to have them to make into the champ.
Ahhhh… cow-patties. I will never forget my first sight of them, when I lived in Clark, Colorado (close to Steamboat Springs, CO) for three summers when I worked at Vista Verde Guest Ranch. My roommates and I would walk half mile to the ranch from the rustic cabin and we’d count cow-patties… mostly flat dinner plate-size cow poops (mostly grass…) along the road to the ranch and back to the cabin. Oh, they smelt, but one gets used to the scent… sniff, sniff…
*holds his nose*
Karen!?!
Peui!
Oh, Paotie… cow-patties smell a hecka better than pig poops, for sure ;o)
Good for the grass? Of course! Cows’ poop (Compro) are good for the grass to grow thicker and thicker. I can imagine it would be the same as the cow-patties. Sounds weird but smell funny.
Hee, hee.. White Ghost, I can mentally hear Mike McConnell soberly saying that the cattle was one of the factors for the higher percentage of carbon dioxide (greenhouse effect or global warming.)
)
I am using my husband’s computer… I shut down my laptop…So this is me,Karen Mayes, having made that the cattle being one of the causes for the global warming. Nighty. —Karen
Cow patties everywhere! Sometimes we just have to step in that cow patty with pride. No matter how much we try to avoid it, the situation can be one big cow patty! We also have the ability to choose the cow patty, do you step in it or not?
Sorry for causing this shit. lol I didn’t dream that it’ll go that far! geez Anyways, buffalos are more wilder and independent, ya know. I’m outta here.
Gosh, I leave for a few hours and find that Paotie has been reduced to cow patties?
Oh, so you chickened out on my question eh? So ya just postin’ “DBC sucks” everywhere just for the fun of it? Even the deaf bullies? Gosh I am so disappointed, I thought you were gonna be another Michael Moore! Now THAT dude can write one hella satire! I just got another one from him totally hillarious and totally pissy with BUSH! BUT, we ahba his points about Bush because its clear enough. When you said “Bush sucks”, that I can understand. DBC sucks? I ask for clarification…And it ends up in cow dung. Okidoki!
Just so some of us ahba the meaning of satire..perhaps some do not, so I decided to borrow from wikipedia:”Although satire is usually meant to be funny, the purpose of satire is not primarily humour in itself so much as an often quite angry attack on something the author strongly disapproves, using the weapon of wit.”
Okay, you saw it folks, Paotie doesn’t have a beef (complaint) (Doesn’t anyone remember the ’80s, “whats your beef?”) with DBC.
Truth is, What really sucks is that he is not a member of the DBC, that is what got “lost in translation”. Gosh darn. Maybe ya gotta write a new one now, “pretty please DBC?” sugar works betta than spice.
I got it now. thankyou, thankyouverymuch.
You told Kim you saw her on Ella’s site? Oh really, Ella has something new? Darn I must have missed that one! I think I will go pay her a visit.
Ciao!
Well, Dave Barry must be one hell of an angry man.
*laughs*
Paotie
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Paotie,
How’s the wrist? It must hurt after using that big paint brush…you know the broad strokes and all…
I echo everything LaRhonda and Pundit wrote.
Again for the umpteenth time, Deafread.com is an aggregator…we only collect posts from blogs/vlogs that we subscribe to. Anyone can have their blog/vlog subscribed to and we will always always approve anything to do with deafness in general..whether it be oralism, Dead, deaf, hard of hearing, late deafened, CI, deaf blind, and so forth.. Just read the guidelines…and if I remember correctly we Extra-ized only one of your posts because of a photo of a scantily clad woman (although I did enjoy it LOL)…otherwise we have approved every one of your posts…
I would really LOVE to see specific examples as to why deafread.com’s neurality is “suspect”?
You supplied one by offering the opinion that none of the human editors should post regularly…and I disagree with that. I would step down from being a human editor if I couldn’t post and I am sure any other person would feel the same. It would be hard to find someone willing to filter through all posts to determine if it’s deaf-related all while not being able to comment…
More examples please..I’d like to discuss this issue further with you..I really would. We at deafread.com are ALWAYS WILLING TO LISTEN TO THE MASSES…of course we cannot always make everyone happy…but we are always willing to listen..I swear…scout’s honor (holds up the three finger scout sign).
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Karen Mayes,
What CI posts weren’t approved? I would like to see specific examples?? Deaf Pundit asked for specific examples and I am asking again here… If you would give me an specific example I could probably tell you why it wasn’t approved specifically in regards to the guidelines. If you find anything that should have been approved, please bring it to our attention…we are all human here..we do make mistakes. We all are biased..no human is unbiased..but we all are dedicated to making deafread.com an OPEN FORUM for all things deaf-related as long as the specific guidelines are met.
Feel free to E-mail me personally if needed…(you can E-mail me individually using the deafread.com website..look on the right side).
-J.J.
DeafPundit–You asked what should be included in DeafRead. Maybe I’m in the minority here, but I believe people with cochlear implants are deaf. Below is a wonderful blog about the process of getting one. I’ve been following it. She even posted her first hookup. http://contradica.blogspot.com/
She discusses side-effects, what she can hear, what drives her crazy– everything. I think its fascinating. Her writing is witty, entertaining and educational. This IS about deafness and deaf technology. She’s a DeafRead blogger. I’ve checked. Not once have I seen her post published in DeafRead.
The other one is A Work In Progress. She has just gotten her second implant http://happyfamilyathome.blogspot.com/ She’s a mom to several young children, and she blogs about her homelife as a deaf implanted mom. She also has another blog detailing her second implant called Surround Sound, but I see she didn’t bother to submit it to DeafRead probably because they didn’t publish her other stuff. To me, it does seem really one sided to never publish any blogs written by people with cochlear implants I have to ask– is it because they blog about being implanted?
Perhaps some people could learn a few things from their blogs.
These are real people with real feelings.
*lol* Paotie I’m being moderated again?? WTF?? Are we fighting again?? How exciting!
No– I don’t believe in D.I.E. I don’t like the acronym. It’s too negative. However, back in the 70s, we had something similar called “I’m Ok, You’re OK” and we learned to use what we called, “I messages.” When something makes you upset, instead of throwing a tizzy, where you make wild accusations– such as, “You’re such an a**h*le, you think I’m fat!” It’s best to use an “I” message in which I state my feelings about how I felt when you said to what’s-her-face about “being beefy” It made me sad. Why? Because I felt fat.
Hence I stated, “It makes me feel sad when you say things like this because I am beefy.”
Then you clarified. See how well it works?? D.I.E. is essentially the same, however nothing new, and a little more complicated to remember. “I” messages are easy to remember. Never, ever say YOU in a disagreement.
For example, instead of saying DBC sucks, it would be best to say I feel bullied by DBC because they did this, then that, then this. It made me feel very angry, upset, and saaaaaad. As you know, I do not always use “I” messages myself, Paotie. I had forgotten about how they can be used seriously.
My husband and I frequently use “I” messages as a joke now. I wasn’t really that sad. I am overweight, but not terribly so and I’m not that worried about it. Or maybe I should be, I don’t know. Who cares??
JJ– It was me, not Karen. I have sent in examples of two blogs. Chronicles of a Bionic Woman should be published regularly IMO.
Hey Paotie,
Wow! You are very clever best than Bush. You are trying to be POWER and STRONG BULLY to Deaf. that is your opinion too much. I just wonder that are you still playing with to Deaf on comments huh?
I love you very much and smack! but Thumbs Down!!
UFODEAF
Kim,
Sorry for confusing you with Karen.
Thank you for posting that info.
I am going to check into “Chronicles of a Bionic Woman”. You are correct that it appears on the subscription list and that the content is deaf realted. This should be on deafread…no question. The issue seems to be technical…I am seeing that there are no active posts when I click on “Chronicles of a Bionic Woman”. Also, I cannot find any of her posts in “Extra”…everything passed over goes to “extra”…we rarely if ever delete anything and if we do so it is because of something really bad like nudity.
As for the other one, “a work in progress” I do not see it on the active subscription list? (I am looking at the top where ‘A’ is sorted???) Is it under a different name??
Help us out here on this one…and THANKS for pointing out the Chronicles of a Bionic Woman!!! I’ll check into it!!!
-J.J.
jj– It’s with a small a. “a work in progress.” It’s there. I just looked tonight, but I missed it twice until I realized it was a small a. Thanks for checking.
Wow Kim, thanks for sharing those two sites. You are right, they are real people with real feelings. Her comment, “I have almost NO experience with the “deaf world” and what little experience I did have I was shunned. When deaf people can talk, there seems to be a common theme that people like me are deaf to the “hearing world,” and hearing to the “deaf world.” Where do we fit in? We don’t.” This comment by “bionic woman” is not in isolation, there are many deaf like her, who experience this, and I really hate it when we lose deaf people who should and can be part of our community. They tell themselves they don’t need us as their way of coping with rejection. But we know otherwise.
Did you see all of the Bloggers on the right? They appear to be all people with CI’s. I love learning about different people with different experiences, and just different altogether.
Like JJ, I wanna know why this isn’t on Deafread? How come none of those bloggers on the right side of her site, are not on Deafread? Didn’t Jared pop in earlier? Hope he pops back in and provides some answers. I’d like to know. Is discrimination being practiced on Deafread? Sure hope not!
JJ– Actually look under “. . .a work in progress . . .” It’s not in the A section. That’s why I missed it the first two times. It’s right under Neo-Kent on the DeafRead list of blogs, second from the top left hand side.
Thanks
As a late-deaf person in Deafread, this is why I am attracted to her blog. She and Jen of “a work in progress” were two people who reached out to me almost immediately. She speaks for me when she says things like “deaf to hearing world” and “hearing to deaf world”. She isn’t the first to express that, but she writes well and powerfully. In fact I quoted her in my blog today because sometimes she touches something at my core. Jen is just wholesome and wonderful. She’s another who never felt like she fit in with the Deaf because she was talking by the time she was deafened as a child. I have wanted to recommend DeafRead to some of my late-deaf friends, but some of them feel maybe it’s not for us if it’s all about ASL. I’m taking ASL, and that’s why I started reading. But if we’re going to truly be open to all as a community, we must realize that many late-deafened people do not know ASL. Many are older and feel discouraged about learning a new language– especially when they have so little support from spouses, family and the Deaf community to try it.
This blogger was published in Nov, but the Dec post was not.
http://inaudiblenonsense.com/2007/12/11/from-the-bookshelf-words-in-context/#more-54 It has to do with culture and is a bit cerebral, but I enjoyed reading it. Again, this is a deaf person with a CI.
And another– His previous post was published, but not this one.
http://meryl.net/ci/ Again, he’s a deaf person with a CI.
I have got to get to bed. Everytime I start to shut off my pager I get a new message from this site! I needed to say one thing before I do..I’m glad you found us Kim. I’m glad you took a step forward to accept that you are deaf, and learning ASL. 100 percent communication is better than some or no communication. Even with a CI, there is still some communication that will not be understood. There are many of us in the Deaf Community who will provide you and others with support. All you have to do is ask.
Take care,
Hi Kim,
I just followed this up with Tayler Mayer (the guy behind the curtains at deafread.com) here’s a paste of my E-mail asking him why and his response:
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I do show that blog in our database, but it’s marked as inactive. I do
not recall why. Perhaps the blog wasn’t updated enough, so it was made
inactive. We do this for all blogs. Blogs die all the time. We aim to
keep our # of feeds clear of dead blogs, and have no way of knowing if
a blog is “resurrected”. We would need to be contacted by the blogger
in this case.
It is ridiculous that DeafRead is accused of bias. We publish posts
about Cochlear Implants all the time, even when we receive complaints about excessive CI posts.
You are free to quote all of the above.
-Tayler
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On Jan 3, 2008 10:36 PM, J.J. wrote:
> Hey Tayler,
>
> Why is this blogsite not published on deafread.com???
>
> http://contradica.blogspot.com/
>
> Must be a technical issue? I do not see any entries anywhere?? Title is,
> ‘Chronicles of a Bionic Woman’.
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So, the short answer is that if a blogsite is inactive for a long period of time the blogger needs to “reactivate” it with deafread.com. I’d shoot an E-mail to the person who runs the “bionic Woman” blogsite and ask him/her to reactivate their site by sending an E-mail to deafread.com .
I hope that this is a satisfactory answer?
BTW, I also checked out “…a work in progress” (thanks for pointing out where it was), it also seems inactive.
If you enjoy reading these sites via your RSS reader, E-mail the authors and ask them to activate their blogs again on deafread.com (I remember that I had to do so even for my own blog “It is what it is” because I let it die down a bit).
-J.J.
Huh, J.J., it was not me who said CI stories were not approved… someone else…:o)
Oh, JJ, did not see your other message stating you realized it was not me… I’d better get myself a mug of hearing tea (with caffeine… decaffeine, meaning DEAF, hee hee…) to wake up my mind more…
Sheri,
Thank you, I need to clarify– I don’t have a CI. I am late-deafened with a progressive hearing loss, which means I am still losing hearing. I have profound loss in speech tones, but still have good hearing in low tones. This is called a ski-slope hearing loss. Because of it, I do not qualify for the typical CI since a CI wipes out all your residual hearing when it is implanted. An experimental hybrid Cochlear is testing preserves the low tones. It’s only a half implant. I met the qualifications for that in Nov., but the trial is currently closed. There are risks and I have decided not to have it done until they perfect it. I’m not getting a lot of benefit out of my aids because of tinnitus and recruitment. They can’t turn the aids up loud enough. So I have a hard time communicating with people in normal situations without lipreading. I hate wearing hearing aids and do not wear them unless I’m working. This is why I’m taking ASL.
White ghost, I hope you will be become oralitius on the street so that I will be paid you $100.00. Let me think about it. It would be having fun.
Chris H.
Sorry, I am happily married!
Back off, Chris and find someone else.
OMG. . . This is deteriorating quickly! *hahaha*
deteriorating?
Nah. Chris H. needs to find someone from Deaf Bunny.
white Ghost, I will be hired you to play in Deaf Bunny as you are deaf. I can be paid you $300.00.
Too bad, Chris. Your loss. I would still say *NO* if you make the bid into a million dollars.
Money does not mean anything. Boo Hoo.
Paotie, call 911 ’cause Chris H. needs some help. He wanna to be like Britney.
*laughs*
White Ghost ..
Yup!
Paotie
Ha, ha… yup…
ChrisH needs attention all right, since he bashed me on other sites.
White Ghost, you are funny.
)
Sheri Mutti said DBC shows the mission on BDC wesbite.
A website??? Oh, really??? I no hear nothin’ or no see nothin’ .
S-
Tayler, Thank you for responding to let us know, I am relieved to see DeafRead have these standards. I also appreciate that you or Jared took the time to get Bionic Woman, and others like hers posted.
Kim, thank you for sharing more about you. There are a lot of Deaf individuals who get CI because of tintinitus. I doubt CI will ever be “perfected”. Its hardest on the deaf individual living and working with hearing individuals when their hearing aids are not up to par with the strength needed to hear better. Bottom line is becoming comfortable with your deafness, and learning ASL helps you to eventually find the road where you can enjoy your life as a Deaf person. The communication aspect is the most important of all. Once we have it, we can enjoy life no matter what world we live in basically.
Hello “S”, Yes they have a website, I looked it up…here it is:
http://deafbilingualcoalition.com/
Take care.
*laughs*
Standards? DeafRead?
There’s 2 standards:
1) D/deaf-related blogs/articles
2) D/deaf-written blogs/articles
Also, the word, “editor” to describe the tea-time social group that Tayler, JJ and others belong to is a word that is not appropriate. It’s like calling a messenger a, “Information Exchange Officer.”
They ain’t editors. They only have to screen (filter) blogs that they think are NOT d/Deaf-related.
And you know, considering that we’ve seen not one, and not two, but THREE different “editors” and their comments pop up here, it begs the question:
How many DeafRead “editors” does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Answer: more than one.
The “editors” on DeafRead ought to be called, “screeners” – not “editors.”
*laughs*
Why, I think I might even blog about this!
YAY!
Paotie
Sheri –
Yes, Deafread have the standards, however, I do not *SEE* there is a reasonable accommodation for *ANY* v/blogsites to enter. Moreover, they need to work harder to screen the “RSS” (I do not know how to use since I do not own the v/blogsite) to make sure anything *NOT* to be blunder.
Get it, Sheri.
Paotie…..remember, the mistletoe kiss.
Cheer up!
White Ghost
Here it is:
http://www.deapulse.com
Just thought you would like to know.
White Ghost
oopps! My apology.
here it is:
http://www.deafpulse.com
poatie, you can delete the last comment about White Ghost, you become a dangerous.
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Karen Mayes, I can give you hug. Stop complaing about me bashed you on other site. http://thesunnah.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/hug.jpg
Sheri Farinha Mutti, you are a great person woman. I enjoy reading your comment this blog.
*laughs*
ChrisH ..
Oh, so now you want to ask something from me, eh? Well, you made your mess – you’re gonna live with it.
White Ghost is far from dangerous. Karen is a teddy bear.
Also, if you make one more comment regarding either in any form of an insult (even if THEY think it’s an insult), you will be banned permanently.
Got oralititus?
BAHHH HAHAHA HAHAA HAHA HAHAHA!
Paotie
Thank you, Paotie.
Now, can I be the Teddy Bear like Karen?
I came from a very good family.
White Ghost
White Ghost, I do not understand what you mean by reasonable accommodation as defined by ADA? Can you explain what type of accommodations you feel DeafRead needs to provide?
Its one thing to need more support in understanding how your blog articles can be linked to the RSS feed system, that I ahba.
But, to state there needs accommodations to accommodate a blogger who has a vision impairment or other type of disability? If so, perhaps if you could explain more clearly then it will also help DeafRead understand better what your needs are? I say this kindly, not in jest.
ChrisH, I was not complaining… I was just stating a fact.
You are forgiven.
Have a good day.
Everything such as cued speech, oral, SimCom, Total communication, v/bloggers to enter the Deafread.
For example, deaf-blind oral person who disagree with other bloggers’ views, to enter the deafread.
Deafread *MUST NOT* reject the deaf-blind oral person who disagree with other b/vloggers’ views, to enter the deafread.
Deafread rejected Paotie’s several blogs because “he attacked several v/bloggers.” At this point, for what I have seen that several v/bloggers to attack Paotie and then Deafread let the b/vloggers to enter the deafread so that they can attack Paotie.
I hope it helps you to understand better.
Get it, Sheri?
White Ghost
Hmmm… Paotie has not attacked anyone… he just pokes fun at how the topics were discussed by v/bloggers… of course, in turn it is felt as an attack. I believe that humor is not greatly understood by the deaf people in general due to having missed out while growing up. Oh yes, there is deaf humor, but not hearing humor. I mean, do you think that the majority of DeafReaders would understand Paotie’s latest blog related to D.I.E.? I doubt it and I know they will be offended by it. It is just his perspective and it is always good to have different perspectives so that we could appreciate people more and not to get all heated up under our collars, ya know? One could apply music, culture, etc., to throw interesting lights on the topics so that we could appreciate and see more depth in any topics.
well i’m feelin’ sad and a little left out cuz no one’s kissin me under the mistletoe or wants me to be their bunny or callin me a teddy bear or anything. it makes me feel real saaaaaad.
Don’t worry Chris– All the **fun** people get moderated in Paotie’s blog. I’ll join you.
**Paotie is a butthead**
(sticking tongue out at Paotie)
By chance, I just happened to discovered this and I felt that I should introduce myself. I am the “Chronicles of the Bionic Woman” over at http://contradica.blogspot.com and I wanted to thank you all with special thanks to Kim for pointing me in the right direction to get my blog “activated” on DeafRead. I’m not sure exactly what happened and the reasoning isn’t making much sense to me, I am just glad that it is up and running and they were able to resolve it fairly quickly!
I’m glad you all enjoy reading my blog and I will look forward to reading yours!
Hi Abbie!
)
Abbie,
Welcome to DeafRead! Your blog was entered, because some readers on DR felt that DR was not getting some representation of the full deaf spectrum on the aggregator. The DR editors are trying to correct the imbalance by entering your and other blogs representing the CI view.
Have already read your first blog here, and it’s interesting to learn about another view that is different from mine.
Paotie… I am GLAD that you wrote this blog. My jaw fell as I read more CI blogs as they suddenly appeared from nowhere… So the human editors obviously thought CI blogs were not deaf-related???? My god.
Hi Abbie! It was my pleasure to point out the oversight of your wonderful blog to the editors of DeafRead. You are a good writer and I truly enjoy reading your Chronicles. I hope to see more posts from you in the future.
BTW– my son is single. Do you have a boyfriend?? I’ll send you a picture. He’s a nice boy.
I was kidding Abbie
Didn’t mean to scare you away. . . Come baaack!
You didn’t scare me away my dear! Feel free to email the picture
Are you going to go to the HLAA Convention in Reno?
HLAA in Reno? Hmmm….
when?
Hmmm….
I can see how some people are saying,
“See! See that! Mike McConnell is pro-oral! He’s asking about HLAA!”
Ok…back to our regular programming.
Damn you Paotie for getting snow up there!
McConnell ..
Funny you mention the snow because it’s snowing yet again. I wish the “big storm” from California that dropped 11 feet on Lake Tahoe would do the same here!
*tries to will 11 feet of snow to drop*
Cos then, if it snowed, I’d rent a certain Stephen King movie that depicted a slashing, murderous Deaf woman at a high school dance who became enraged when a hearing student asked her if he could borrow a quarter to call his mom.
*laughs*
Paotie
Psstt! Abbie!
Click this.
Free round where?!
Tequila rules.
Bottoms up and McConnell’s buying!
Paotie
Wait–She’s just an innocent little thing. You boys leave her alone! I can see I better go down to Reno and keep an eye on Abbie, though I wasn’t planning to. . . (sigh!)
McConnell–Tequila! Free Rounds!! I was only gone a few hours and you’ve already moved in!
Send me your email and I’ll send you a picture of my handsome 26-year-old son. He loves math like you. Paotie and Mike are too old. They are both OVER THE HILL. Plus, . . . (I have a secret. Paotie isn’t really a human. He’s a stinky hairy dog. I have a picture to prove it. This is why he hides his identity. . .don’t tell anyone.)
Kim!
Your’e spunkily fesity! Feeding us about your handsome guy?
Does he have a blonde hair and blue eyes? I’ll be damn! LOL.
White Ghost
Kim, last time I looked. I still have my dingle-berries. And a wife, too. If bench pressing 350lbs is deemed as “over the hill” I’ll take it.
Yo, Mr. Strongman!
After last night’s blogging, I sure feel kinda wiped out. Nearly half who visited MZ’s site commented–’course there were repeaters as well. The d/D issue keeps coming up time after time. Strange how the word “unity” divides.
Mike, you’re gonna have to put “swear” words in quotes from now on, from the way a certain phrase of yours torpedoed. Yee-haw! Right on target. Who’d a thunk it’d have caused such a commotion?
Watch out for Paotie, Abbie, he’s got a fixation for eye candy.
Ann_c…
I said my “mea culpa” about that which is a rare faux pas on my part. I was clearly thinking about Farrugut’s battle cry at the moment of my writing it. Anybody who knows anything about history and how I wrote it I wouldn’t say “Damn ASL” because I said “Damn the ASL” just like “Damn the torpodoes!” Farragut was successful in breaching Mobile Bay without much losses and he still had plenty of torpedos left, hence plenty of ASL left to spread around rather than to sink into the watery grave.
Oh well. A sensitive lot I suppose.
Mike,
You’d be surprised how there a lot of Americans who don’t know their own American history. Some people don’t know know what the Alamo is and what factions were involved, or what the Louisiana Purchase was, much less know the words to the Pledge of Allegiance or our infamous national anthem.
When in doubt, I’d clarify using the original quote first, then substitute words in the second paraphrase to show why you used the quote in the first place. Tedious business, I know. But it helps to prevent a comment from bombing.
Nevertheless, couldn’t help stifle a chuckle over the faux pas. The profane and the sacred in one breath, whew!
Mike–the bench pressing was adequate. I’m convinced you’re a MANLY man OK??
I would prefer not to know about the status of your “dingleberries.” (ACCKKK!)
Thank you Karen–I too didn’t want to say anything. I have heard the statement, “Damn the Torpedoes!” but didn’t make the connection between that and Mike’s, “Damn ASL!” I was aghast! Even knowning that he’s a military buff, I didn’t make that leap. It was so confusing! Plus I never read the book, so I didn’t have a context to put it in even after the explanation. I’m still a little confused by it all. I know how hard it was for you to apologize, Mike, since you’re such a MANLY man. Really!
It gets easier with practice over time.
*Cough, cough*…. hmmmm… hmmm… I did not know about Farrugut’s battle cry… so Ann_C is right. But, but!! I do know about Almano, the Louisiana Purchase, etc. But I know very little about the historial battles…I have little interest in warfare, so I really do not bother much about it…no offense.
Would help if you threw in short explanations after your quotes, especially when it comes to history.
I guess I was lucky I didn’t use this phrase.
“Don’t Fire Until You see the White of Their Eyes”
Bunker Mentali..er.. Hill anyone?
Hahahaha…Bunker Hill… does it have to do with Revolutionary War?
;o)
Hi WhiteGhost-
I’m not sure if this will work cuz I haven’t sent photo links in here before. Try this. He’s in the middle. My blonde haired son is only 18.
[CommentsEditor: As per request by kim, this comment has been edited.]
I just realized you can’t see his hair. This was taken before he shaved his beard. He was skinny from Korea.
[CommentEditor: As per request of Kim, this comment has been edited.]
White Ghost– the girl is my daughter. She’s 22. But Thanks!! She’s a good girl– in her fourth year of college– a psychology major. I guess she’s trying to figure me out. hahahaha! I miss her since she moved out, and hope she comes back to Seattle area to do her graduate degree. She doesn’t know ASL, but last time she came home asked me to sign while I talked, so she could pick up a few words. She and her boyfriend have been practicing on their own and I was surprised what they knew. Thought that was sweet.
The younger one took two years of ASL in high school and knows all the important stuff, like how to ask me for money and such. The older one lives at home right now cuz he’s saving to go back to get another college degree. He did not live at home for eight years and never learned ASL, except fingerspelling. He knows Korean though, and Spanish too. Enuff about my kids. I am a proud mama.
Kim!
Awww….. Your son have a cutie pie. I am jumping on the bandwagon with Paotie and Mike McC. We are the over the hill gang.
There is a but.
I am control-freak for my daughter when she becomes the sweet 16!
White Ghost
Being a proud mama…of course you are!
I am trying to be a good mom….my older daughter, she is in a pre-teen. Arghhhh! She signs pretty well. She writes like a Paotie! I worked until the 2nd daughter was born. I have told her that I am happy that she writes better than I am!
My younger daughter is a pro-ASL! I am staying at home and have raised her until she becomes a kinddie!
ohhhhh, I am facing the empty nest until they come home from school nowadays…..Enuff abaout my kids.
Let’s have a roast here!
White Ghost
Kim, you have a gorgeous family! Your son looks like a wholesome down to earth kind of guy
I would love if you went! It would be a blast! I can hold my own against guys like them, even ones that bench 350 *chuckle* 
*laughs*
McConnell is a stud! Geesh! You should check out his tire flipping, man!
BIG DAMN TIRES being flipped with impunity!
And Kim, you have a lovely family (I fixed your links since they were a little too long – hope you don’t mind), too.
Paotie
Awwwww— Thank you Paotie. Now you’re gettin all nicey on me. That’s so sweeeeet.
Two nice comments in a row from you. What happened?? We aren’t calling each other names anymore??
Abbie– I have to think about it. I’m going to a convention in Philly for my SayWhatClub–another late deaf group, which is much smaller international group, but I’m so much closer to all those late-deaf friends, and there’s a big world thing in Vancouver, Canada this summer. I know several people who may be going from Washington state. I would love to meet you though. I haven’t been to Reno in years. I’m honestly not a big drinker or gambler and just went to Vegas last spring for an SWC con. (I have nothing against dirnking or gambling– but I get headaches.)
OTOH– Reno isn’t that far from here and flights aren’t usually that expensive.
It’s an on-line club, but we meet in person regionally and nationally. Some members do use ASL, but most do not. However, the workshops are ASL interpreted + we have CART. The majority of members are oral. Many are born deaf who were raised oral. One is an HH CODA. One couple is Deaf non-oral husband with hearing wife who is interpreter, so basically all kinds of Deaf/deaf/HH people– but majority are oral deaf, or late-deaf. It fits my lifestyle better than HLAA because they’re on-line and available every day, and I don’t have to attend meetings. The HLAA and ALDA chapters in my area both meet on days I work, though several of the local HLAA and ALDA members in my area also belong to SayWhatClub. There’s a link on my site.
We may put up a blog soon, I’m not sure.
Here’s the link–
http://saywhatclub.com/
It’s like a forum. There are several different groups. I’m in World. You’ll have to write a short bio about yourself, then they’ll put you on a list. If you tell them you know me, and you want to be on the World list they’ll put you on World with me.
Our next national convention will be in Philadelphia. They try to have the conventions in different parts of the country ever year so people on limited incomes can go. There is also a group for parents of deaf children, and a group for people with cochlear implants and one for “mixed” couples deaf/hearing to talk about their issues.
Yes C, that’s right. She’s a Child of Deaf and hard of hearing. Her first language was ASL.
Kim –
Really? What’s the SayWhatClub like? Does the SayWhatClub have the sign language for the late deaf gang? I am curious. I have never heard of the “late-deaf” club before but it’s great to know!
Let me know about the club.
White Ghost
C–The individual was born hearing, and became HH later. Her family is all Deaf. I don’t feel right giving out the personal details about someone in a private club I belong to. Kim
That’s great! I am sure that your gang will feel better because they are not alone.
I want to learn about the SayWhatClub’s on-line. I think it’s wonderful!
Wish I could meet you in person IF I am a millionaire.
White Ghost
Might be a good time to form a “Nevermindclub.”
“What you say?”
“Ah, never mind.”
Kim, HH CODA = Hard of Hearing Coda?
Let me get this right, hearing child of deaf and hard of hearing? I’ve always felt hard of hearing kids are more like CODAs, more so than deaf of deaf. So, when I saw that I thought oh, there’s hard of hearing child of deaf adults. wow…lots of labels for all kinds of deaf people eh? Thanks for enlightening me~
oh gosh no, I’m curious about the meaning behind that label not the person behind that label.
Thanks. I’ve just never heard of it before is all…
Say What Club is an on-line forum made up of several on-line lists. There are general lists and specialized lists. I belong to two lists– World and CI (which I joined to learn more about because I’m mulling over the Cochlear hybrid, but probably not going to go thru with it). World is just a general list. Once a year we have a convention in a US city where we meet to have workshops on deaf related topics and socialize. This year it will be in Philly. Last year it was in Vegas. The year before that St. Louis. Before that, Clearwater, FL. Before that, Minniapolis. Before that, Seattle. Before that, San Diego. Before that, Atanta. Before that, Chicago. . .Before that, I don’t know because I wasn’t a member. You can see they try to have the Conventions all over so those who can’t travel far can go at least every so often. It’s free to join, and OK to lurk.
They are on-line all day, every day, and friendly.
Check it out! If it’s not your cup of tea, you can always drop.
Kim,
What is the World list you refer to in the SayWhatClub? Like to go to Philadelphia, but may not be able to afford it.
Sweet, Mike, the “Nevermindclub”. That’s what happens when the womenfolk get together to go somewhere and the men are left at home *grumbling*. Ever heard of golf widows, fishing widows, hunting widows, Mike ?
Yeah, Ann. But I don’t do those things (though I do like golfing).
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