Jesus Hates Deaf People

Colorado Springs – In the deaf community across the country, and primarily on the east coast near Washington, D.C., there exists a small, but powerful cult of Deaf people. These Deaf people worship all things Deaf – from Deaf toilet paper to Deaf penile implants. They reject any and all things related to the hearing world (although, they do sure appreciate most things hearing people gave them, such as the internet, automobiles, cellphones, iPods, surround-sound stereos, and flutes, among other things.)

They drive what is mythically known as Deaf culture (a researcher recently called for new research methodologies to update demographics related to how many people use American Sign Language in the US. By extension, Deaf culture is predicated upon a belief that the majority of Deaf people collectively join together to create a culture through signed language – except nobody knows who is or isn’t Deaf). There exists a Deaf community and then there exists a separate Deaf culture.

Actually, Deaf culture has a cult of Deaf people called, the One-Eyed People. These people run Gallaudet University, the nation’s primary educational institution for the deaf. They crucified Jane Fernandes last year by spreading truthful rumors about Fernandes – she had an iPod and was caught downloading musical files at Gallaudet one Sunday afternoon.

Well, actually, it’s more than that: Fernandes grew up without sign language for the better part of her childhood and was told to hate Deaf people as soon as the doctor pulled her from the womb. iPods are a form of hateful expression towards the One-Eyed People, and because Fernandes is considered to be an oral deaf person (notice the lowercase in the word, “deaf.” “Deaf” people like their capital letters and have a patent pending on the word, “Deaf,” for economical and political reasons), she was considered to be “not Deaf enough,” to lead Gallaudet.

See, the One-Eyed People cult believe that because Fernandes called for stricter academic standards – along with opening up Gallaudet to reflect a wider, more diverse deaf community across the country – she is doing the same thing Alexander Graham Bell did: profess a love for graham crackers. One-Eyed Deaf people hate honey-roasted graham crackers, and Fernandes, an admitted addict to graham crackers and milk, is considered to be as evil as Bell.

Bell’s mother went deaf when he was a young boy; as he became older, he married a deaf woman. While busy inventing modern-day cellphone-fueled road rage (which the One-Eyed People never exhibit), Bell advocated eugenics. The concept of forbidding mentally retarded people from having children is eugenics (actually, many disabled groups at the onset of the 20th century were forced to be sterilized due to state laws – but primarily the Deaf culture consistently whines about it, still.) But the One-Eyed People want mentally retarded people to be happy citizens and to breed prolifically because they oppose eugenics.

Adolph Hitler advocated eugenics after Bell, although in Bell’s defense, most of America during Bell’s time also supported eugenics advocacy. Even the Rockefeller Foundation supported eugenics, although nobody in the United States killed off a lesbian to purify any race like Hitler did. And because Hitler killed 6 million people as part of his desire to cleanse the human race of “undesirables,” Bell is guilty of the racial crime of not just being a graham cracker lover, but also an audist.

Audism has two rules: to be an audist, you must first bitch-slap a Deaf person into submission. Actually, it won’t work unless you’re a hearing person. That’s the second requirement. So, you’ve got to be a hearing person and bitch-slap a Deaf person to be guilty of being an audist – a hearing person expressing superiority over a Deaf person. Oh, and there’s a third requirement I almost forgot: any person who desires to “cure” or “fix” Deaf people is an audist, too.

Fernandes issued a series of statements to the press, calling for Gallaudet University to become an academic institution of higher learning. She called for inclusion and diversity, noting that the demographic make-up of the school represented a KKK fan’s wet dream come true: mostly white deaf people. Fernandes pointed out that other minority groups were being left out at Gallaudet, and sought to eradicate the influence of the KKK-inspired One-Eyed People cult.

But Fernandes is a eugenicist because she mentioned people with cochlear implants as becoming part of Gallaudet. As the technology improves and becomes less expensive, the number of children born with hearing loss receiving the implants will increase significantly over the next few years.

The One-Eyed People view all things related to cochlear implants as “evil,” and that any organization that promotes the implants are essentially eugenicists. They also feel that because the NFL allows the no-huddle offense (the first huddle in football is credited to a Deaf football team), and also allows Tom Brady to receive coaches’ plays via a radio implanted into his helmet, that the league advocates anti-Deaf political policies – or audism.

The One-Eyed People view cochlear implants as a threat to their cult. In fact, increasingly, some members of this group are comparing American deaf people with foreigners. If you’re like Fernandes, you are not American – you are of some other unknown nationality. One Deaf political blogger says comparing a Deaf person with a deaf person is like comparing an American to a Brit.

In efforts to save their cult from foreigners, the One-Eyed People want to protect what they call, “Deaf culture.” Gallaudet University is a Deaf culture school, receiving $108 million per year from the federal government. Forget the YMCA or the Boys & Girls Club – Gallaudet is the Taj Mahal of culture clubs around the world. For $108 million, the school bans iPods and old-school sound-boxes because these are against Deaf culture.

So, Gallaudet should somehow be a cultural and educational facility, promoting only Deaf cults. This is the kind of thinking that would compel lesbians to start their own Van Dyke University because lesbians are somehow deprived of an education in a straight people’s world. They want to teach classes on how to be a cunning linguist while celebrating lesbianhood. Actually, the real reason to protect Deaf culture at Gallaudet is as the president of Van Dyke University said:

“We basically got tired of being dicked around.”

The One-Eyed People cult has been dicked around for too long by hearing people – mostly those not white. In fact, Fernandes has consistently pointed out that too few people of color are represented on the Gallaudet campus. Because of this statement, one educator of the Deaf at another deaf educational institution has circulated a petition online in hopes of further politically lynching Fernandes because of Fernandes’ iPod. If being orally deaf and with an iPod wasn’t bad enough, simply telling people your opinion is grounds for continued aggressive tactics against you. May a Deaf God help you.

The petition states that Fernandes has harmed “Deaf culture” while at Gallaudet. So that must be the problem: Fernandes didn’t properly (and positively) address the “Deaf culture” element at the school. For that, the petition states, she must be eradicated from Gallaudet completely.

As it turns out, the many wise and extremely fair and judicious members of the One-Eyed People cult engage in positive advocacy. When I asked a Deaf political blogger, “What can I do?” to work with him on our opposing views, he responded by publishing a YouTube link (shortly after I wrote this article, the link and portions of the original article were removed) on his blog of some dude kicking ass in a mixed martial arts match. He thought that was me, and many members of the One-Eyed People cult nodded in collective agreement. “So that’s why he’s so mean to Deaf people – he likes beating up people! Look! If it’s on YouTube, it must be true!”

Not only that, but there’s several Deaf bloggers and video loggers (vloggers) who routinely make claims that they talk to their friends, neighbors and other people who do not have iPods at Gallaudet as proof of investigative reporting. One commonality among many Deaf bloggers and vloggers is the consistent use of unknown, unnamed and anonymous sources of comments. In fact, many of these Deaf people like to claim that because an unknown Deaf person said it, it must be undeniably true.

One Deaf woman who works at a Deaf school (and a member of a group that has close ties to the One-Eyed People cult) claims that an administrator reprimanded her for trying to shove her political ideals onto a young child. Turns out the vlog itself was an entire rant and rave against oralism and nobody seems to note that there’s a Deaf woman politicizing a young child in the name of protecting Deaf culture. She added a bit about her friend and somehow, lots of Deaf people believed the vlog as if a crime had been unquestionably committed against the Deaf woman.

When a Deaf person makes a claim against hearing people, it is considered as truthful as the Bible itself because Deaf people just don’t engage in audism, and they never lie and they never see/do things wrong. What a Deaf person says is gospel – same as the Bible – and should never be challenged, especially relating to all matters concerning Deaf/deaf education around the country.

And speaking of the Bible, I couldn’t help but remember hearing stories about deaf people in the Bible as a deaf child. Deaf people were portrayed as being nasty and possessed by evil spirits, or demons. But Jesus Christ healed a deaf man, and so that means Jesus hates Deaf people. It is so because Jesus “cured” a deaf man – an act of audism.

The ultimate promoter of audism is the Christian Bible. There is no Deaf God or Deaf Jesus or Deaf Mary or Deaf donkey that delivered a Deaf Christ to a Deaf manger to a Deaf crowd of Deaf farm animals while a Deaf star shone brightly over Wal-Mart. I didn’t make these rules up, you know? The One-Eyed People came up with this all by themselves.

Since the One-Eyed People reject Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior because he cured a deaf man, they want Gallaudet to create a Deaf religion. The president at Gallaudet, they feel, should be the High Priest of Deaf society. People who are deaf and have iPods are considered sacrificial lambs for the sake of the cult. To appease the Deaf God, the cult finds victims and unmercifully attacks them until they either become Deaf or become British – whichever is worse.

Since the 1988 student-led protests, the Gallaudet campus has been terrorized by the One-Eyed People cult. Their only focus is on protecting Deaf culture at all costs. Lately, they’ve been touring around the country, protesting against people and organizations alike for being “oral” or evil. The AG Bell Foundation is a private educational program, an option for parents of hearing children to consider.

Many members of the One-Eyed People cult have began launching rallies and protests against this organization. The reason? Because AG Bell Foundation focuses on other educational means – outside of signed language. Still, the AG Bell Foundation offers parents resources to the National Association of the Deaf (which at one point, equated cochlear implants as a form of “cultural genocide,” but after being bitch-slapped by a few audists, the NAD reversed and now supports cochlear implants as a parental option) and issues press releases stating that parents have a choice and that AG Bell Foundation has nothing against Deaf culture. And the only thing that matters to cult members is the fact American Sign Language (ASL) is not mentioned as part of the educational curriculum and believe this to be evidence of AG Bell Foundation promoting “cultural genocide.”

The One-Eyed People cult lump anyone with a differing view on deaf education (read: ASL and Deaf culture) as being on par with the AG Bell Foundation. And it’s the same as being a eugenicists as were Bell and Hilter, too. And don’t forget, Jesus Christ. In the final analysis, anyone who presents a threat to the One-Eyed People ought to be removed – especially if it threatens the $108 million a year cultural civics center that they want Gallaudet to turn into.

The One-Eyed People cult insists that all deaf children born in this country (90-95% of deaf children are born to hearing parents) should be indoctrinated as a future One-Eyed member. As soon as a baby is plucked from a mother’s womb, the cult insists that the baby has to be taught ASL for the singular purpose of protecting Deaf culture. In fact, one researcher stated the problem with Deaf culture today:

Since the potential recipients of cochlear implants are, in the main, the prelingually deaf children of hearing parents, the burden of banning the implants would be borne by people who are not members of Deaf culture, and who owe that culture nothing over and above what we all owe cultures in general. I conclude that we cannot ask the parents of these children to sacrifice the interests of their children for the sake of Deaf culture.

The fact remains that Jane Fernandes was sacrificed in the name of protecting Deaf culture at Gallaudet. It was not so much an administrative or managerial issue because many of the faculty there at Gallaudet are like the Deaf educator who is seeking to have Fernandes removed via a petition: they oppose any free-thinking deaf people who analyze Gallaudet with a vision to improve the school’s academic and research standards.

Gallaudet should be a university that promotes diversity and inclusion, along with a student population that is not restricted to young men and women walking around with cardboard cutouts placed over their faces, viewing the world through a singular one-eyed peephole.

Still, I want to know: is a Deaf Christian an oxymoron?

Good thing I’m atheist.

Be good .. or be good at it.

:)

Paotie

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Comments

Good write up! Something to think about.

Hmm…one-eyed?

Not saying a word.

Enjoyed reading it, full of sarcasm but rightly so.

The world is full of hypocrites and humble people.

*Shrug*

Karen Mayes

Uhhh, apparently you haven’t heard that Dr Fernandes has accepted the post of Provost at a North Carolina institution of higher learning. I don’t think it was the Deaf Cult who helped her get that job – I suspect she applied for it all by herself!

If I were a mental health professional (which I am) and you were my client (which you will never be), I would probably have a very interesting diagnosis to apply to your personality — but for the sake of confidentiality and protection of your privacy rights, I won’t announce that diagnosis to the public…

I_C_Voices

Oh my goodness– this was quite a tirade. I died laughin at the title. **hahaha!** Uh– I ‘pologize for sayin’ you were a big meanie after seein ya beat up on that dude. Actually it sorta turned me on. You DO have a little temper though dearie. I think ya made a few good points. You aren’t goin’ to make friends with this blog post though. I’m sure it doesn’t much matter to you. I don’t feel so passionately about this Deafhood business. I believe time will work it all out.

Kim

I never saw it that way, but then again, I think that once anyone can hear, they will appreciate that. Really hear, not CI or hearing aid or whatever. My deaf mom, who is no longer with us – bless her soul, always recited the bible and she herself told me with lights in her eyes that when we die and go to Heaven, we all will be able to hear! She thought that it was the greatest thing that will ever happen. Be perfect. Not all deaf people sees it that way.

C

There is nothing wrong with Paotie… he was just poking fun at the ironies of Deaf culture. Admit it, Paotie is right… something is off of the picture about the actions of Deaf culture.

I had a few good chuckles over his blog anyway.

Karen Mayes

“C,” so, Deaf people don’t want to be “perfect” when they go to heaven? Will or does ASL (or sign language) exist in heaven? Will some of us have a choice? If not perfect, then what? Hell’s a choice then and you can sign to your heart’s (or what’s left of it) content?

Just asking…

*laughs*

Well, there’s a reason why the mental health profession has one of the highest suicide rates per industry.

*shrugs innocently and kicks a small pebble*
:)

Paotie

Paotie

C -

I seriously doubt Jesus Christ would make any difference between a Deaf person and a deaf person. Discrimination exists on earth, but I always thought Christianity preached tolerance and acceptance of all people.

Apparently not.
:)

Paotie

Paotie

Gawrsh!

You got it!! That’s my sense of the funny. :) )

Ann_C

Well. . .None of us really knows for sure what happens after death, and I guess we don’t have a choice whether we’ll be able to hear or not, but I sure do want to hear Bach’s Brandenburg Concertos again. That used to be my favorite of all time piece, and I just want to hear it so bad when I’m going up the tunnel to heaven so if I could pick. . .

Also– this is a little bit weird and I don’t know if I should share this in here or not because it’s off subject sort of, but sometimes a voice does tell me things about the future. I think of this as my spirit guide or guardian angel for lack of a better name. I DO hear it perfectly even though my hearing is real bad, so I expect we will be able to hear in heaven– whether we want to or not. The voice is the reason I believe in God and the afterlife. I have mentioned the voice in my blogs before. It told me I was going to become deaf when I was little. Deafness isn’t a punishment. I’m pretty sure the rest of you will think I’m a mental case now. Doesn’t matter. . . :-)

Kim

I C Voices,

I guess using your position of authority (ie knowledge) in the mental health business means you’re allowed to make inferences publicly, such as this one, about other people’s mental health by thinking outloud in here is forgivable? Exempting you from any criticisms on your abuse of power, so to speak? Though you didn’t mentioned anything specifically about Paotie’s mental health, which btw is a healthy dose of intellectual skepticism and wry humor, you tried to which comes to this. What does your action tell us about you as a mental health professional? Perhaps you need to psycho-analyze yourself this time around?

Besides, what you did pretty much made yourself quite transparent that you didn’t like Paotie’s blog. But that’s fine. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. Just be careful about abusing your authority in the mental health business, if in fact that is what you claim. Though it would’ve been easier to say that you didn’t like what Paotie wrote than to try and flash your “mental health professional” badge just to try and sound authoritive in your so-called implied diagnosis. It just made you look worse off and less of a professional in that regard.

*shrugs*

*laughs*

What McConnell said.
:)

Paotie

Paotie

No Kim, you are not a mental case… we all have our own questions of afterlife. Won’t find out until we die anyway :o )

Karen Mayes

LOL!! Died laughing! Keep it up!

Brian L. Mayes

Oh! BTW, I have a wonderful idea… Why not patient the word “Deaf” and then sue the shit out of anyone who uses it!!? Good idea? Maybe that will finally shut people up!

Brian L. Mayes

Intersting article and only one thing I disagreed strongly about Jesus Christ hates deaf people.

That’s abusurd and NOT true! You should be careful what you say about Jesus and Christians would react about what you say about Him. I seldom do BELIVES Jesus has purpose and has plans for deaf people! If He actually hates Deaf then He would treat them like pharisses and high priests!

Who give you an authorization to judge how you think Jesus hates deaf? Then why deaf Christians’ prayers answered? Think about this: Why does Jesus blesses deaf people?

Jesus did this in an amazing miracle! I am sorry that you feel this way — I hope and pray that you can learn about Him and if you have an evidence that He hates Deaf — Give me a LINK with verses — I know THERE’S NO SCRIPTURE about negativity on Deaf people by Him.

Jeez!

Beside that — Very good point on other issues..

Appauled

Thanks Karen. I don’t debate religious or spiritual beliefs. I am a deeply spiritual, non-religious person if that makes sense– not that I have anything against any of the religions. Mostly I just think God is bigger than all of them.

I’m getting tired of the D/deaf debates. It seems like the lines have been drawn and no one’s budging. What’s the use? Is there a purpose to this?

Kim

“Appauled”

Paotie was being sarcastic. He doesn’t believe in Jesus, therefore he doesn’t believe Jesus hates Deaf people. He made what we call an inferred that Jesus hated Deaf people on the basis the Jesus healed Deaf people. Since Deaf people don’t seem to want to be “healed” then he inferred that Deaf must think Jesus “hates” them. It was pure sarcasm.

Kim

Yeah, sometimes I think, plllffft to the D/deaf debates. But I sense that *D*eaf needs a slap once a while, to wake them up and make them see that things are not what they seem, that they do live in the heairng community whether they like it or not, etc. Well, we all have had our heads buried in the sand like ostriches once a while in our lifetimes. I guess hearing reality is too harsh for deaf reality, so we create our own realities and we get into fights to preserve our realities which are not real anyway.

Well, good night…

Karen Mayes

Appauled, call it a tongue-in-cheek response piece. Paotie was trying to make a point and not about making a judgement.

Karen,

“Won’t find out until we die anyway..”

Maybe not if people believe we blink out of existence not knowing whether we lived or died, or the chance to meet our loved ones again. Ah, but that’s another topic for another day.

Kim,

If we don’t discuss them we won’t know what’s wrong out there. We learn something each time someone opens up his/her mouth.

I got plenty o’ laughs out of this blog! Eloquent and cleverly written. Kudos to you!

This, if I may call it a political blog, is the best I’ve read by far! I followed every blog religiously when I first discovered DeafRead, however it did not take long before I was turned off by various blog authors. A lot of “D”eafies blow their biased arguments out of proportion to make it worthy enough to attract attention with wildly exaggerated claims.

I could not find one thing to disagree on. You said everything I would have said, only better!!

Well Mike, I don’t know that deaf people don’t want to be perfect when they go to Heaven. I mean, I can’t speak for all of them. But, that is an interesting perspective. Right now – here and now, I guess they are content with who they are. Personally, I knew we’d be whole and perfect when we go to Heaven, because that is what the bible tells us. I’m ok with it. I think it’s neat. I also think that when we all do get there, ASL is not going to be an issue anymore. simple as that. Again, my perspective is based on my belief and what I read in the bible. I honestly think that Jesus loves everyone,including deaf (i’m not going to divide the d/D) people. When he cured that deaf man, he wasn’t targetting deaf, he cured the blind, and the crippled and the leper. It goes to show that, here on earth we are all not perfect. In Heaven we will be.

C

Christianity DOES preached tolerance and acceptance, BUT, we are all not perfect, HENCE, people judge, ERGO, it’s hypocritical. That’s why bible says, he who is without sin, shall throw the first stone.

Ok, I know your post is supposed to be funny, but, when it comes to our Maker, I just get serious.

C

God told Moses, Thou shalt not curse the deaf.

You are in big trouble Paotie.

Edward Nugent

Maybe somebody will write a blog piece called “ASL doesn’t exist in heaven” ?

Actually, the bible never said that Jesus “healed” the Deaf–it just says he made them hear. Who’s to say that he did this by teaching them how to sign?

Alan

Semantics, Alan. The deaf person was cured of his/her deafness. In other words, deafness disappeared. Sure sounds like a healing to me.

Plus, the mute were made to speak.

Perhaps they, too, were taught ASL.

*laughs*
:)

Paotie

Paotie

Not “the deaf person” but “a deaf person.” sowwy.

I don’t think we have physical bodies in heaven, therefore no ears or hands. We’ll communicate differently.

Kim

In Response to this comment:

“C,” so, Deaf people don’t want to be “perfect” when they go to heaven? Will or does ASL (or sign language) exist in heaven? Will some of us have a choice?”

The Bible says when we are caught up in the air or come to be with the Lord, we will become like HIM. We will become perfect, and ASL will be in heaven, yes, every language of this world will be in heaven but God has a heavenly language for us too. In a heavenly being, being in the presence of God, we will be far superior in being than we were in our natural earthly state. I think Deaf people want to be perfect but the real issue is that Deaf people do hope and do want ASL as a language in heaven. I hope so, too. ASL is a BEAUTIFUL language, why not? And oh, how awesomely beautiful ASL will be in heaven, in perfect symmetry, perfectly choregraphed and sychronized. Even the Deafie who signs ASL the best of all will be amazed at the beauty of ASL in heaven. Fluidity and the flow of ASL will be so smooth, in sing-song nature, nobody will misspell or miss a letter. All signs will be correct without argument. We won’t even have to debate what the the new sign for vlog should be, because there won’t be any in heaven (wink)..If Jesus or one of his angels or even legions of his angels have signed to some Deaf saints, in a dream, or in a vision, or by appearing to us, then ASL exists in heaven! If all languages except for ASL was in heaven, then all languages won’t be in heaven at all, because there is….NO SIN IN HEAVEN, NO SHAPE OR FORM OF DISCRIMINATION!

John Critser

Yeah I hear/read various things about that, Kim. Supposedly we will have “celestial” bodies. Hard to imagine how that would be “better” but we’re supposed to be what we were meant to be in the first place. So,if we will have celestial bodies, we probably wouldn’t have the need for any body parts would we?

C

No hands? No ASL? Everything is communicated via “telepathy”? Just blobs of ethereal substances? Never the chance to hear a long awaited wish to listen to Beethoven’s 5th Symphony in C minor, Opus 67 piece for the first time?

DA DA da dum……

John, remember. God made the deaf hear again. If we’re to be like Him in His image, ASL wouldn’t be necessary nor needed. But just as on earth we are given free will to choose, so will it be when it comes to heaven. Just like fallen angels who rebelled against God along with Lucifer.

Nice going, Paotie. I can see where this will be going now.

lol Mike, we’re supposed to be able to HEAR but without EARS perhaps? Don’t worry, You’ll get to hear your Beethoven~

C

John Critser ..

So, blind people will beautifully be able to read beautiful Braille in Heaven, eh?

I know Braille ain’t a language, but then neither is SEE.
:)

Paotie

Paotie

“C”…I can hear. I already know and heard Beethoven’s 5th Symphony.

Mike, yes that’s what I believe–that you hear with telepathy, and that you will hear music just as if you had ears. You do not need ears to “hear” or eyes to “see” after you die, but of course this is just my belief. I have no proof and I won’t debate my beliefs because there’s no point. I believe what I believe because I’ve had a few telepathic experiences where I have received information about the future from an unknown entity– OK? I do not know why this occasionally happens, but evidently I’m not the only one who this has happened to. When you start talking to people, you begin to realize that all kinds of weird telepathic unexplained events have happened to perfectly normal, sane people. :-)

Kim

Allright mike, but, you’ll enjoy it more, unless you’re hearing and you’ve been there and done that?

C

Mike– Have you ever heard the Brandenburg Concertos? I used to love the flutes, but can’t hear them anymore. (sigh)

Kim

Sir, you seem to be a bitter person.

I am a Deaf Christian, and no, I don’t think of it as an oxymoron at all.

First of all, it is true that Jesus healed a deaf man, however, you’re missing the point of that story. In the Bible, the story can be found in Mark 7:32-35. One interesting thing about that story is that Jesus actually took that deaf man apart from the multitude. The reason behind that is because apparently the multitude was pressuring Jesus to heal that deaf man, as evident in the verse 32. Perhaps the deaf man did not understand why multitude so intent as to have Jesus put his hand upon him. So, Jesus had some concerns for that deaf man.

Next thing Jesus did was to accompany his healing power with signs, and you have to realize that, Jesus didn’t need to do anything dramatic, all he had to do was simply speak a word or so, and that person will be healed wholly. However, in this case, Jesus put his fingers into that deaf man’s ear, spit and touched his tongues, then spoke one word, healing him. It is my reasoning that Jesus gestured to him that he was going to heal him, and that is perhaps the most important thing about this story.

Now, we don’t know how deaf people lived during Christ’s time, it could be that they didn’t have a sign language of their own, and suffered more than hearing people in the spite of God’s commandment that deaf people not be cursed. We can only infer from that story what was going on in that deaf person’s life, and it’s not much to go on. In any case, today, deaf people can’t be healed like that way, and will never witness such miracle anytime soon.

As for deaf people still using sign language in Heaven, I see nothing wrong with that. Yes, of course, everybody will be able to hear and use their voices, after all, they will have perfect bodies to go with their eternal souls. However, you must realize that while we die, our souls will retain all memories and emotions we felt during our lifetimes, as evident in the case of Rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16:19-31. Therefore, deaf souls will retain the knowledge of their sign languages even though they will become perfect as Christ is. Finally, it is God who created sign languages for deaf people to use, how do you know that? Because it was God who created deafness and blindness in the first place! Thus, there is no reason to believe otherwise that God wouldn’t give deaf people opportunities to learn about Jesus Christ as their personal Savior through their own sign languages.

In fact, I’m willing to bet that Jesus will sign beautifully in ASL and whatever other sign languages deaf people use all over the world! I have absolutely no doubt He is perfectly capable of that, after all, He is the Son of God.

I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, and God will take care of me all the time in my life. God made me a deaf person, and I don’t have a problem with that. He does know better than I do, and let’s face it, either I can complain or get on with my life. I know that one day when I am in Heaven, I will still able to use ASL, my native language, with anybody, even Paul or Peter, because they will know the sign language, too! In fact, in that day, I can speak ALL languages used since the beginning of this world.

Lastly of all…I am proud to be Deaf person as well. I grew up in a mainstreaming school, and you know what, it failed me. And what’s even more interesting, if it were not for Gallaudet University, I would never know about Jesus Christ as my personal Savior. It was a culturally Deaf person, a dear friend of mine, who led me to Christ. I attend a culturally Deaf church pastored by a culturally Deaf Pastor, and it welcomes all kinds of deaf people, be they oralists or not.

Maybe you have a problem with that, I don’t know what’s your beef with culturally Deaf people. I could care less about your beef, what is most important thing is that the Gospel must be preached to every creature, are you willing to preach Gospel to all creatures, and not look down on culturally Deaf people? If you can’t do that, well, you’ll have to face God and answer Him why you looked down on us.

That’s all I have to say on this strange subject.

Picard90

Picard -

The Bible is open to interpretation any way you like. I happen to have my views and the article is not an attack on God, nor Jesus, nor Deaf culture itself.

I don’t “preach” to people, though your comment was a nice sermon.

Enjoy the pulpit, do you? I’d stay the hell away from the Middle East if I were you.
:)

Paotie

Paotie

Isn’t it something when an atheist brings up the topic of Jesus’ healing a deaf man, parodying Jesus as an audist because he “cured” the man of his deafness, and has got people waxing emotionally or spiritually about the afterlife, whether they will be made ‘perfect’, that is, hearing again or hearing for the first time, with or without ears, or will retain their ASL language in heaven, etc. I must say, Paotie, your humor touched some hearts there. Do you see what I mean about the funny?

Ann_C

*laughs*

YUP!

:)

Paotie

Paotie

Strange response, I’d say.

God didn’t create language but created human beings with the capacity to make their own language where it has evolved over time. Not to mention that we were given free will which can be seen as one of the greatest gift given to us (or a curse by other people who would rather wished they’d be unthinking robots instead) to do what we will with our own languages. In short we were given these beautiful brains for us to use it creatively either for good or evil.

I don’t see Paotie as having a problem with culturally Deaf people since he’s Deaf himself. Rather it’s the blatant hypocrisy he sees sometimes. His blog title was to illustrate a point, not attack Him.

Celestial responses to the earthly quotes:

McConnell’s quote:
“John, remember. God made the deaf hear again. If we’re to be like Him in His image, ASL wouldn’t be necessary nor needed. But just as on earth we are given free will to choose, so will it be when it comes to heaven. Just like fallen angels who rebelled against God along with Lucifer.”

Mike, if ASL is a language, why is it reserved for the Deaf only? Hearing people can learn it to. Hearing mothers learn ASL to sign to their “signing babies.” It will not be our free will in choosing what language to use in heaven. We will find out, providing a big “IF” you make it to heaven. In hell you won’t be signing. You will be screaming.

Paotie’s quote:
So, blind people will beautifully be able to read beautiful Braille in Heaven, eh?
I know Braille ain’t a language, but then neither is SEE.

ARE you talking about the Deaf-Blind or just the blind? If it’s the Deaf-Blind, then the ASL language applies. If it’s just the blind, and braille, I honestly have to tell you that braille won’t be in heaven, because they won’t need it anymore.

That’s NOT to say we don’t need ASL anymore. I strongly suspect believe God feels ASL is a beautiful language.

picard90- I agree with all of his comments.

John Critser

John, deaf people who use SEE, what happens to them?

:)

Paotie

Paotie

Or BSL?

Or ISL?

Or PSE?

Or Arab Sign language?

Or Auslan (Australian Sign Language)?
:)

Paotie

Paotie

All are used. About SEE, it’s a very good question. A laughable question, Paotie. I think B.S. is the only language not used, if you get the drift. Back to SEE, I think ASL is more universal and God is the creator of the universe..so I think God will go with the more universal one. I think we have all the time in heaven to sign in SEE, as I think that language SEE takes forever to tell a story….

John Critser

Ahh, so you’re stating that ASL is superior to, say .. BSL .. or Auslan?

So basically, Christianity is reduced to establishing superiority of languages because ASL is more “universal?”

I think I’ll go ask a few British bloggers about that.

:)

Paotie

Paotie

Oh for petes sakes, John Critser, are you serious!?! All of that is probably going to be meaningless once you’re six feet under and somewhere else in a different form. Many things are not going to matter anymore!

C

Paotie, I am just comparing ASL to SEE. Read my perfectly clear English, I will quote myself on this one:

John Critser says: “All are used. About SEE, it’s a very good question.”

Paotsie, did you see that I said “All are used?”

To “C”
It is not meaningless. Being 6 foot under, I will be three heavens above. Not in the first heaven, or the second heaven, but the third heaven. Then when the trumphet blows, my body will be caught up from 6 feet under into the heavens to meet with the Lord.

Last of all, I want to encourage of you not to be robbed of the joy in the creator’s promises that one day we will have a place in heaven. Just believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved. Not even SEE can prevent us from going to heaven.

John Critser

Well, John ..

Your “universal” application of ASL was borne out of a question asked to you: what happens to an oral deaf person when they get to Heaven.

But you answered that with your final comment.

Gawrsh! Christians ARE apparently extremely prejudiced.
:)

Paotie

Paotie

**I’m laffin so hard.. . I’m wiping tears. ***

Kim

Paotie-How was I prejudiced as a Christian? I’d be happy to hear you out and be convicted in my heart. Quote me, and counter quote.

As for Kim’s laffin’ so hard, there’s no more tears in heaven, just a thought!

John Critser

*laughs*

Quote me on saying YOU were a prejudiced Christian.

We can do this all night.
:)

Paotie

Paotie

Well, prove that I am prejudiced. In doing so, you need to choose the quotes that you felt made me out to be prejudiced. Or didn’t I spell your name right? I’m happy to explain myself.

By the way all signed languages are universal, whether it be ASL, SEE, Auslan, BSL, ISL, PSE, Arab Sign Language. Sign Language is universal but it has so many national dialects. I do poke fun at SEE just for the sheer fun of it..but it doesn’t mean I am prejudiced. We can make fun of the way people speak with accents too, the Tonight Show on TV makes fun of people every night…But that’s not prejudice, if that is what you wanted to point out.

What happens to an oral person when he gets to heaven? He might find himself speaking Arabic! He might think his accent sounds so weird all of a suddenly, with contorting throaty sounds. He might find himself with hair all over on his body, too.

John Critser

For hearing babies signing, it’s not necessarily “ASL” since it’s the hearing parents who are talking to their babies while using “baby signs” (not ASL) in the beginning for them to learn and associate the differences between signs seen and heard, and the object/idea they are associated with. “Baby signs” and “ASL” are not the same thing though both are used as visual means of communicating. Babies who become toddlers understand what parents are saying vocally but they have no way of responding appropriately until their vocal cords and muscles are mature enough enabling them to speak.

Let’s not assume whether I will go to heaven or not, John. I have my own personal relationship with Him and that’s all you need to know.

Mike, let me quote myself again:

“We will find out, providing a big “IF” you make it to heaven.”

YOu know what? It’s a big “IF” for all of us. All of us have our personal relationships with Him. We have to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. It’s not handed on a silver platter for us. Jesus took the keys of death on the calvary, yes scriptures say if we believe in him, we shall be saved. But we have to check the Bible, rightly dividing the word of truth and pieces of the puzzle will come together, Mike. The Bible does say we have to fight the good fight for our faith and to work out our salvation. We can’t just coast on sandals, and assume we are automatically heaven-bound. But YES, you’re right, we have our personal relationship with Him (Jesus). This, I cannot argue with. I guess I have agreed with this one point you made this one time.

I know baby signs and ASL are two different terms. Maybe I was lazy with terminology or I rather write a full page, making sure I use all clinical terms (wink).

John Critser

John,

Cool! So now when Deaf bloggers and vloggers start complaining that I am somehow against Deaf culture or Christianity, I can point to your wonderful comment regarding the use of humor to make points.

Very good and thanks!
;)

Paotie

Paotie

No. Not all of us have personal relationships with Him. You need to explain your meaning of the word “all.” Secondly, salvation is free. It’s up to each of us to accept it and believe at anytime or not. Each of us work differently. I’m not here to preach. I understand what Paotie was trying to do. But some people are just getting a wee bit bent out of shape over his blog piece.

Ditto, Kim, I haven’t had my funny bone itchin’ in so long a time as much as tonite, LOL. Golly, this blogosphere could use something like a D/deaf blog/vlog version SNL or ‘Ice House’ like the comedy venue ‘Ice House’ in L.A. Imagine, McClintock and Paotie. Whoo-ee! Tears are from the laffin’ so hard at how one person can poke fun at an issue and make it so transparent! Encore, Paotie, ya gonna have to do another one.

Ann_C

Mike, you force me to fine-tune my quotes. Let me re-state my quote in a better way “All of us THAT have personal relationships with Him…”

Is that better to your satisfaction? Gee, I will start quoting as if I am writing a book, making sure to spell-check and check my grammar and everything. Ok?

Salvation is free yes, but we have to work it out. For example, if we win millions in the lottery, we still have to work it out with the Lottery office and choose a lump sum or receive deferred payments for the rest of our lives. We still have to pay taxes on it. So in regards to salvation, a free gift from God, we still have to watch what we say, and control our lusts, ask ourselves, “are we helping others?” We have to prove all things to the Lord. Some take the free gift of salvation and think they can rob a bank and still be saved. You know what I am saying? Or hide a bunch of playboy magazines under our bed and assume we have a one way ticket to heaven. We have to deal with a lot of things in our lifetime. Jesus is the potter, and we are the clay. God continually shapes and molds us to His liking, sometimes that takes the rest of our lives.

John Critser

Well what I want to know John, if you don’t believe in my scenario where everyone communicates through telepathy so no language would be needed in heaven—- What happens to someone like me who is late-deafened? Am I supposed to read lips then? I don’t like reading lips. I want to hear music the way I used to hear it. I ache for that.

I have read about near-death experiences where people say they heard the most beautiful unearthly music ever, and they saw indescribable beauty. Why would you want continue to be Deaf and miss all that heaven had to offer? That would be like rejecting God’s gifts.

Kim

Kim-allow me to quote you:

Well what I want to know John, if you don’t believe in my scenario where everyone communicates through telepathy so no language would be needed in heaven—- What happens to someone like me who is late-deafened?

I DIDN’T SAY I DIDN’T BELIEVE IN YOUR SCENARIO WHERE EVERYONE COMMUNICATES THROUGH TELEPATHY. WE ALL WILL BECOME HEARING IN HEAVEN, BUT ASL REMAINS A POSSIBILITY AS ONE OF THE MULTI-DIVERSE LANGUAGES IN HEAVEN. A BELIEVER FROM EVERY NATION OF THIS WORLD WILL BE IN HEAVEN. WE WILL ALL REPRESENT OUR LANGUAGE, ALTHOUGH IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN WHAT THE PRIMARY LANGUAGE WILL BE. I THINK THERE WILL BE A COMMON HEAVENLY LANGUAGE. BUT WE WILL HAVE THE CAPACITY TO SPEAK IN ANY LANGUAGE. HEAVENLY ISN’T IT? AND OH YES, WE WILL HEAR INDESCRIBABLE MUSIC IN HEAVEN, NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

I NEVER SAID WE WANT TO BE DEAF IN HEAVEN. I ONLY SAID THAT I BELIEVE ASL WILL BE ONE OF THE LANGUAGES.

John Critser

Also John, Jesus did forgive a thief while he was on the cross. He also forgave a prostitue and a murderer. Given all that, I’m sure he’d forgive a few Playboys stashed under the bed. :-) I really don’t want to get into a religious argument. I don’t think that was Paotie’s point. We’re all just a bunch of sinners, John– all of us. Christians are no better than anyone else.

Kim

Christians are no better than anyone else, but the Bible does say we will be given a crown of life if we are OVERCOMERS. A few playboys stashed under the bed are one of the things we need to overcome.

Of course, I don’t have playboys stashed under my bed, to make a point, too. As long we repent unto Godly sorrow, Jesus forgives us. All have sinned and come short of God’s glory, yes.

John Critser

John, not so. Those in their last hour are able to receive the gift of salvation never having to do the “works.” Still, we continue to fall because we are never perfect. But that doesn’t mean we cannot get up and continue to move forward.

You can repent after death, or at death’s door. The point of Jesus’ sacrifice was so little boys would not have to go to hell for looking at Playboys. Some people believe you come back as a bug if you were real bad, but that doesn’t seem right to me. Bugs have no recollection of their previous life. But then if you think about, that could make perfect sense. . .Because a perfect loving God would not believe in torture, therefore he would just take an evil soul out of commision by relegating it to temporary or permanent bughood. In a way that could be a very peaceful existence, since you wouldn’t have much of a brain and would only be living off your instincts. Still — I have read that before you are judged you must feel all the pain you created here on earth so that you might truly understand your sins. If you created a lot of pain, that in itself could be a kind of hell, don’t you think? To feel the pain you created and to know that YOU created the hell you’re going through?? How fitting. But it wouldn’t be eternal. Though Hitler’s experience could seem like it. . .So maybe you go through this period of experiencing all the pain you created, then you become a bug if you’re real bad. But the fiery hell– I don’t believe in that. It’s not consistent with Jesus message. It doesn’t really matter what I believe anyway. I don’t think God cares what I think. I’m just a stupid little person.

It’s not good to hurt people.

Kim

Gonna pull some wings off a fly tonight just for fun.

Good nite all.

LOL, this coming from McConnell!! Are you sure the Almighty won’t come after you with a human-swatter for your impudence??

Ann_C

**ROFL** Mike. . . I wouldn’t do that. You might have to serve some time as a spider or somethin’.

Kim

Good AM, it is 5:30 AM and it is snowing outside…my family has plans to drive to St. Louis which is 4 hours away. Oh well, we will see.

My jaw dropped as I read the religious banter. I have nothing against Christianity, but it is interesting to see how honey attracts bees (isn’t that a right expression?) So if anyone blogs about Jesus…especially an atheist… we’d see serious “believers” leaving comments.

Mike is right… we all have our own relationships with God or whoever He/She is called. My walk with God is a lot influenced by the architectural discoveries in the MiddleEast and by the encounters of people of varing backgrounds as well as books I have read in the past and read nowadays. But I really don’t care for the “C”hristians who “preach” the results of believing or not believing in Jesus (believe = heaven; not believe = hell) based on the Bible. Hasn’t anyone noticed the irony in this… there is dualism in Christianity (hell/heaven, saint/sinner, man/woman, etc.), same as in Judasm, Muslim, etc.? More apt to create confusion which lead to fear, leading to more misinterpretation, leading to wars, so forth… just like d/Deaf (opposites… deaf/Deaf ;o) ) So, dualism is a divider… what else do we need to say?

Nope, I am not an atheist, but I have seen enough, in my 42 years of my life, to make my own opinions which might strike to the average Christians as controversial, bordering on the line of being an atheist.

Ta ta… have a superb weekend!

Karen Mayes

This is funny! Paotie, did you realize this post would turn into testimony time?

Why don’t you submit this blog to DeafDC as a guest blogger? I am sure your blog would get a lot of comments…

Karen Mayes

Excellent article, I loved it.

Some of the points ruffle up my feathers and I LIKE it!

Thank you Paotie for writing such good stuff, we’re lucky to have you around!
You continue to entertain me!

*Boston

I’ve done a lot of research on life after death, including a study of deaf people who had near-death experiences. (Sadly, I did not have enough data to publish anything definitive.) All the research (including people who died and came back) points to a kind of telepathy in heaven. This makes sense to me since I, as a hearing person on earth, don’t expect to take my body, including ears, with me when I die. I don’t think I will be “hearing” in heaven. I think we will have a kind of pure communication that so many books talk about. I look forward to that!

At the same time, people, both deaf and hearing, do report “hearing music.” So this music must be communicated in ways other than physical sound. There’s hope for Beethoven’s Fifth in Heaven. I think he wrote some of those vibrations into his music due to his hearing status. It communicates on more than one level.

Also, I want to report what one young deaf woman told me. She had died from an accident, and wanted to stay in heaven. She was told she had to return to earth. Not in words. She saw two hands signing, “Return! Return!” So, if you want to sign in heaven at least we know God knows how to sign.

Jane Hurst

Well there ya go! John was right after all. Every language is spoken then. We don’t have ears, but we hear music and communicate with telepathy and we can use ASL is we want.

Kim

Thank you for the pure entertainment! I look forward to more.

Anna S

anna s

Paotie, if I may ask, are you deaf? If so, maybe you understood my post in response to your post on Hemant’s blog, even though it pertains to hard of hearing people. Yes, I know full well it is not the same. I sort of live in a world that is in between the deaf and hearing, but I can highly appreciate the same devices the deaf use- like CC, TTY, and alike.

I am definitely not deaf enough, because I am in between worlds and can appreciate technology of both worlds, even though I struggle with iPods and alike. That doesn’t mean I can’t enjoy them though.

So many hard of hearing people are born to other hard of hearing people and forced to live in the hearing world to avoid the “stigma” the Deaf have imposed on them. My grandmother taught me to read lips and to quietly ask the person beside me- esp if they are a hearing family member- what was said if I missed something. I felt the use of a constant oral interpreter was unfair and avoided putting my sons in that position as much as I feesibly could and to my mother, aunt, and now late grandmother’s astonishment, I refuse hearing aides. From what I’ve seen, they don’t do any good and one just has to keep getting stronger and stronger hearing aides- most likely sooner than without them. I don’t want to be “fixed” and I’m quite happy living as a hard of hearing person.

Mriana

BTW, my form of deafness, for those who are curious, is Congenital Nerve Deafness. I was born hard of hearing, like my mother, aunt, and grandmother etc and it get progressively worse in life and of course, when one is old, old age deafness eventually makes us legally deaf when compounded with the congenital nerve deafness. It is medically a form of deafness, but the person isn’t always completely deaf. They do have a weak audiotory nervous system and not all the fine nerves found in the cochlea work and sometimes, like in my case also, the hammer and stirrup don’t vibrate with sound. Technically I have both types of congenital “deafness”, but I can’t think of the name of the other one.

Mriana

Eugenics was first practised during the Biblical and Spartan days.
Eugenics has been resumed since the 19th century. Google
“Spartan Eugenics,” “Biblical” (or “Jewish”) Eugenics. Even
“Egyptian Eugenics”. Plato and Aristotle emphasised perfection
(remember Plato’s world-famous “Republic” wherein he wrote about utopiaism). It was during the Reniassance Italy when mathematician – physician refuted Aristotle’s claim that deaf people could not reason. He had a deaf son who could reason and could read and write. Bell was colossally, gigantically, vastly, hugely myopic!

Jean Boutcher

Ooops! The name of the said mathematican-physician was
Geroloma (Giroloma) Cardano. He was a friend of Leonardo da Vinci.

Jean Boutcher

You sure know how to create some drama there, dude. ;)

~ LaRonda

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John Critser

John -

Please do not evangelize.

Thanks.
:)

Paotie

Paotie

You just deleted his comment cuz he blessed me Paotie. Figures.

kim

Paotie- At least allow me to respond to those that have to quoted. Can you put back the comment, feel free to cut any part of the comment you deem related to evangelizing. I would like the opportunity to respond to some of the quotes.

Smile and thanks,

John

John Critser

John -

Sorry, I did not save your comment. I appreciate your intention in responding with quotes from the Bible, as well as blessing other people. You mean well – I do appreciate that, too.

I would suggest you reframe your comments without blessing people.

Although, if I sneeze, I’ll be the first to let you know.

Again, sorry for deleting the comment. I’m still new to blogging and am learning the ropes as I go.
:)

Paotie

When people sneeze, I have my infamous hop where I move while typing or signing at the same time. It’s called “Johnny’s C-Defense”.” Just kidding, Paotie.

Blessing can only come from God. Maybe I’ll stick to just being nice and kind to people, and you can interpret it that way, if you will. What is a blessing? Holy water? It can come in a form of kind words to others. While others may be down, it is good to lift other people up, even under the guise of your blog, lol!

As for learning the ropes in blogging, there should be free speech in comments. Mostly people remove comments when they are offensive, vulgar, racial, or with prejudice. I understood for your blog you intended for humor and rhetoric to be put into comments, to follow in sync with your blog, and that you didn’t expect people to start evangelizing. I wanted to share what I believe, and leaving comments as it is, it gives people a chance to choose whether to accept the comment as true, or just another religious doctrine.

Many have different philosophies, and impartations of wisdom. There are the greek philosphers (aristotles, socrates, etc), and there are those who predict the future, and there are those who possess insight into the Bible where people have debated since ancient times. The Bible is the bestseller of all time, so naturally it’s a great source to quote from.

Ho-humm, if you delete this, I’ll understand. We can’t change your blog, but I guess hosts can manage the comments.

John Critser

It’s my job to evangelize to Paotie, pfft. Even he knows that. Oh wait, I’m a bad influence. Better left John have at it.

I liked the post. You’re not psycho, just a realist; which is why I adore you.

Quoting Stacy:

“I liked the post. You’re not psycho, just a realist; which is why I adore you.”

Were you speaking of me, or Paotie? Just to clarify!

Actually I wasn’t thinking of it as evangelizing. Paotie literally declared I was. Then I thought, “Gee! I am really evangelizing, ain’t I?” It made me feel like I was being anointed an evangelist. Now I can start travelling and preaching before thousands like Rev. Billy Graham did. Ho-humm.

To be honest I take the issue really seriously. I think blogs tend to make me kinda giddy. It’s hard to walk the tightrope not being able to really preach, so I have to add some humor light-heartedly. I am on a totally different platform. Not the preacher’s pulpit but inside someone’s blog. It’s like being enshrined in a bubble. Obviously my approach has a different take.

John Critser

Paotie. He’s my Rocky Mountain High Homeboy; athiest, but he and I agree on much. Which again, is why I adore him.

*laughs*

What some call “enshrinement,” others call, “entrapment.”
:)

Paotie

Paotie

Whew. Cuz you said, “you’re not a psycho; just a realist.” Now I can sleep well tonite without recurring psycho dreams..

John Critser

Stacy ..

Hughes or St. Pierre?

GSP is my vote.
;)

Paotie

Paotie

Me too. I had to work at becoming a GSP fan. I think it was the white shorts that convinced me.

Now I’m really clueless here. GSP? Pierre or St. Hughes? MMA fight going on tonight or what? Ohright, ST. Pierre, ahem. The weekend mindset taking over.

Ann_C

John Critser– It was thoughtful of you to bless me from your Blessing Bubble. Thank you. :-) I was not upset by any of your comments or any of the other comments either.

Kim

How sarcastic, Paotie…

In fact, One-Eye People Cult are also a ipod wearer who crucified J.K. Fernandes.

Joe

Ann_C,

It’s not that your weekend mind has kicked in, it’s the image of GSP in his white shorts. Better go look to make sure.

http://www.gspmma.tv/gsp/images/stories/GSP/bio.jpg

Paotie:

Bursting your bubble of a quote:

*laughs*

What some call “enshrinement,” others call, “entrapment.”

My response: entrapment is a good one to use, too. However I didn’t feel like a fly trapped inside a jar. I used the word “enshrinement” because I knew my place inside this bubblicious of a blog.

But you’re da man, the creator of this blog. You’ve practically enshrined me. I will be following your blog closely. In a closing remark, welcome to this blogging world. It will be fun bursting your bubble.

John Critser

*laughs*

Whatever floats your boat.
:)

Paotie

Kim,

you quoted:

John Critser– It was thoughtful of you to bless me from your Blessing Bubble. Thank you. I was not upset by any of your comments.

Kim, thanks. I think I will be buying bubblicious gum from now on, so I can blow some more Blessing Bubbles. The bubbles that grow big, one is blessed! :)

John Critser

Paotie-

You’re the water that floats my boat. Some days, the waters will be choppy. The other days, the waters will be very smooth. I’d take the smooth water days, though. :)

John Critser

Yes, I know the article reeks of sarcasm; I still found it not funny. :(

John,

Boats are known to sink. Just be careful how you navigate the waters. Even the biggest boat that was bragged at the time was the “unsinkable” Titanic. We all know what happened when ice met steel that day. And a lot of people’s bubbles burst that day including the engineers who designed that magnificient and stately ship.

Hmm, icebergs are made of frozen water and 2/3rd’s of an iceberg is submerged in ocean water. McConnnell is more of the iceberg than Paotie is. Try puttin’ a dent in Mike, and he’s impervious. Paotie is more like, what, the weather– unpredictable. Both bloggers are good at what they do and have unique styles, just as Jay Krieger, Seek Geo and others do. I believe DeafRead.com has attempted to keep a balance of different views, thank God, (excuse moi, Paotie) and we’re all the better informed for it.

John Critser has certainly described an interesting take on “bubbles”. The way I’m seeing it now, comments are the bubbles, and the blog in which the bubbles float upwards is the water. The blogosphere is the ocean. :) And the ocean runs deep…

Ann_C

Ann_C:

Glad you caught on to the “Bubbles’ fever.

I liked ur quote:

“John Critser has certainly described an interesting take on “bubbles”. The way I’m seeing it now, comments are the bubbles, and the blog in which the bubbles float upwards is the water. The blogosphere is the ocean. And the ocean runs deep…”

That was deep in the ocean of a comment! I hope I don’t dream about becoming a bubble and floating upwards towards the surface of the water which seems forever! Like a slow motion dream. Cuz, the ocean runs way deep!

John Critser

mcconnell:

here’s your stately quote, probably quoted just before the “titanic” finally sank under (or the McConnell ship):

“Boats are known to sink. Just be careful how you navigate the waters. Even the biggest boat that was bragged at the time was the “unsinkable” Titanic. We all know what happened when ice met steel that day. And a lot of people’s bubbles burst that day including the engineers who designed that magnificient and stately ship.”

I liked your quote. It’s true that the Titanic which was supposed to be “unsinkable”met fate on that day and sank, only for news worldwide to submerge to declare it sank. You made a good point, and gave a good example. Keep navigating.

John Critser

Hi John Critser,
Here is an idea to take away bad dreams. You can draw a picture of the dream you are afraid of, then draw a different ending to it. For example, if you are afraid of being in a deep bubble in the ocean, you could draw a picture of a submarine coming by and pushing your bubble up quickly or something like that. Then at night when you go to sleep, your subconscious will remember this picture you drew and you won’t have the dream. I have tried it and it works. Not with a bubble. I haven’t dreamed about bubbles. You can also cross out bad people or make something happen to them before they can hurt you, or if you’re afraid of a car accident, then you can make your car not go over the bridge and that kind of thing. I almost never have bad dreams anymore, except for getting lost dreams, which aren’t nightmares. :-)

Kim

That was for you, John.

Ann_C, nice example although 80 to 90 percent of the volume of an iceberg remain underwater. Or 10 to 20% of the iceberg is exposed above water. It’s dependent on temperature of the water and amount of salt in water. 2/3 rd underwater would make it only 66%. I think you’d need three the saltiness content of the Dead Sea for that to happen.

correction: “I think you’d need three times the salt content of the Dead Sea for that to happen.”

Kim-

I was actually kidding about the bad dreams but its true if I had a bad dream it feels like in slow motion, like as if it took forever.

That is a great idea to draw something to make the outcome different. As for bad people that would want to hurt me, I wouldn’t cross them out or pretend something bad would happen to them first. Instead, what I do is to bless them. I tend to follow the biblical principle of loving enemies and doing good to them. It also says to bless your enemies. When we do that, we make them feel ashamed and even to the point they can’t think of a way to respond in a negative way. The negative turns into a positive.

It’s really about the attitude. Everybody will see it.

But if a dream becomes bothersome, like a recurring dream, then I have two choices: To pray, and to cross bad people out by drawing a picture like you suggested. I always want to get rid of any bitterness or resentment towards anybody because if it stays within you, it eats you up like cancer. The key to staying healthy and even have strong mental health is by being a happy person. A merry heart is like medicine, which is laughter. It’s OK to cry rather than to bottle up, but more importantly, is to find the joy in your heart. That overcomes the thorns that prick your life.

What’s more, if you always seem happy to other people, we grow more handsome and more beautiful every passing moment. But if we seem embittered and miserable, the wrinkles will start to show, you will see the lines on your face that a frown will cause. We start looking older because we let ourselves be overcome with the emotions.

Besides that 8 hours of beauty sleep is a must.

Back to the point, drawing pictures to change the outcome is a very interesting reinforcing method to use. I haven’t really thought about that. Usually with children, when we want them to think about good things, we encourage them to draw about it, what’s their favorite animal, draw mommy and daddy and the child holding hands together, a picture of a house with a white picket fence, the American dream! Those are things for everyone to think about, to imagine, for the young and the old.

John Critser

Well yes John– I learned about this from a child psychologist. An adult can meditate. Prayer is a lot like meditation. I don’t ever wish bad things on real people. Crossing someone out doesn’t necessarily mean you wish them dead. It just means you want them out of the dream, or you’re controlling your dream, just like you’re in control of your picture. You can do the same with mediation. It’s like saying you don’t want that person in the picture. That’s all. Now if someone comes after you in a dream you can draw a heavy door between you if you don’t want to hurt them. I mean really– it’s your dream and your picture. You’re in complete control here– so whatever you want to think up is fine. But I was reading in psychology today recently the the purpose of dreams is really to practice what you might do in a bad fix, so it might be good to draw picking up a knife to defend yourself– because sometimes people really do need to do that. :-) Not that I advocate violence, but if you need to defend yourself, there are times when being violent is a reasonable alternative.

Kim

*laughs*

Some people confuse passive aggressive behavior with being positive.

:)

Paotie

Paotie

Why that’s true Paotie. Some people do. :-)

Kim

That’s the thing about ya, Mike. Forgot you have some engineering degree or something. But you got my point nevertheless. :) And to think it started with Paotie’s “Whatever floats your boat” comment.

Ann_C

…and John Critser’s “bubbles”.

Ann_C

Kim,

in regards to violence of any kind, you should think about taking a self-defense class. We can take control of our dreams at times.

Let me quote you:

“But I was reading in psychology today recently the the purpose of dreams is really to practice what you might do in a bad fix, so it might be good to draw picking up a knife to defend yourself.”

Kim, I have taken a few psychology classes myself, but this comment is way out of my league. I am not sure exactly how to respond to that quote. A self-defense class will allow you to defend yourself the way experts advise people to. For example, karate is not a technique to be aggressive on people, it’s a self-defense technique. So you will be taught all techniques necessary for every scenario that could happen to you. Completing such a class will give you the confidence and a peace of mind knowing that if such circumstances arise, you will know what to do. And dial 911 as soon you can, if the attacker is disabled first, or if you are at a reasonable distance from the attacker.

I hope this information helps! Lastly, it is safer to have someone accompany you if you feel unsafe, like at night time, or in red light districts or dark areas.

John Critser

Hi John– I feel safe at night as long as my husband is sleeping next to me. He’s a big man– 6’3″. :-) I don’t frequent red light districts. I live in the country. I was talking about dreams, not real life. That said I do know some self-defense and a bit about how to fight off an attacker– how to get out of certain ways they hold you and what-not, and how to avoid being a victim in the first place.

Kim

That’s why I bought a .40 and learned how to use it; quite well.

oooh…gonna let that one sink in for a minute there.

Yeah, hubby better not mess around, heh.

Ann_C

Anyway, about eugenics…

I was in St. Louis this past weekend and discussed the UK bill with my hearing father. He said that he had to agree with the logic of the UK bill, because the disabled people COST $$$ to the government and emotional and financial stresses on the families. He said hogwash to the claim that the deafness was God’s gift.

He said if there was the law in USA at the time I was conceived, he might opt for the abortion of me as an embryo, since there really was very little opportunity for deaf people in 1960’s, as any new hearing parents who would be presented the test results of disabilities which might be discovered in the testing.

Ouch. Well, that is my father’s viewpoint, as a hearing person.

Karen Mayes

One funny thing happened…

My 10-year-old son just announced he was an atheist. Huh oh… I have no problem with it, since it shows me that he can THINK. :o ) My father (his grandfather) told him to keep an open mind, not be quick to jump to conclusion, to realize that the religions are established to give order to the people’s otherwise disorderly lives, to read more about the world religions and world mythology, and read Bible for the history and learn about the meanings that the Bible give to people and so forth.

Well, it is gonna be interesting… he has met MANY Christians who think they are genuine but their actions say otherwise. Also, people give different interpretations of Bible, so he says he won’t believe the people’s interpretations anymore… that there are no rights and no wrongs. He is resentful that people think he is too young to think that way, but, he has a point :o )

Sorry for going off of the subject.
:o )

Karen Mayes

Karen, as a Christian I 100% understand why someone would be atheist. I grew up around those kind of Christians. It makes me not dislike my religion, but dislike it’s followers. I need that promise. I need that hope. And that goofy saying “Christians aren’t perfect, just forgiven”. Yea, blech. Jesus set wonderful examples of how to be. I worry about Him and what he attempted to convey. Organized religion is a joke for the most part. But I think the “no rights or wrongs” thing is a dangerous mindset.

Hi Karen,
(smiles) My kids have all announced that they were atheists at some point– usually while we were on our way to church. hahaha! My daughter considers herself a Daoist. I think in reality they’re all Agnostic.

Kim

Paotie-

I want to comment about Jesus healing a Deaf man, that you said it pointed to audism.

Not so. Why didn’t he not heal other Deaf?

Now my point: I believe God allowed us to become Deaf so we can confound and amaze people at what we can do, and even better than them. God allowed us to be Deaf so God can be glorified, through miracles, to introduce a beautiful language- the sign languages of this world. If Jesus healed a Deaf man, that gave God all the glory. That is what it’s really all about. God wants people to depend on Him for all substance, life-changing experiences, to eat and be clothed. And to depend on Him for healing. In this world full of atheism, skepticism, Jesus-haters, and cynical attitudes, God has to do something drastic. He allowed us to be born Deaf or become late-deafened. Then when a miracle takes place or some kind of shebang like the Deaf becoming healed and becoming hearing.

It’s still not audism because even if I am Deaf and got healed, I would never abandon ASL as my native language. I would only put my hearing to use in regards to communicating with any hearing co-worker, the public, in regards to listening different sounds, music, and the chirping birds. But I would keep on signing and signing, that won’t stop even I got healed. And God would get his glory. It’s a win-win situation.

John Critser

I also believe God has given us the brains to help find a way to restore sight and sound, for example, and for the paralyzed to walk again someday.

John,
I’m not going to say you are wrong exactly because we don’t really know how things work for sure, but that isn’t how I believe. I do not think God makes people Deaf or blind or strikes them with any kind of illness. It just happens. I agree that ASL is beautiful and I also feel modern medicine is sometimes miraculous. I continue to marvel at God’s many blessings and hope that one day we may all live in peace, however we chose to live or worship. :-)

kim

Jesus didn’t heal all those who were deaf, blind, crippled, etc. because miracles were not the mainstay of his mission. He often admonished those he healed to not talk about the miraculous healings, but, of course, they did.

He knew that there were those who would not believe the miracles, who would say it was some kind of magic, and still not believe He was God come to earth to spread the message of God’s kingdom and love for His creation. He wanted men to come to God through faith in Him, not through some miracles he performed. It’s a “tough love” faith complete with doubts, not this easy conversion through miracles.

In early Christianity there were many new followers who had a hard time believing Jesus was a human. Today it’s the reverse, many people, including Christians, have a hard time believing Jesus was God.

Ann_C

Believing by faith in God through Jesus is one thing, and glorifying God is anothing thing. I am checking on the verses right now to back up the fact the Bible said that God allowed us to be Deaf or Blind for a season, so that when the time came we would be healed and the God would be glorified because of it. God wants people to be touched by the turn of events seeing miracles because it confounds and amazes people and people do glorify God for miraculous acts. I will in the next comment come up with the scriptures that back up this. It was not about believing through miracles, but it was more so about giving God his due- GLORY.

John Critser

Many children have a hard time wrapping their brains around something so abstract as a concept of God, that it isn’t surprising when they reach adulthood that they actually get around to thinking about the concept seriously. But as Art Linkletter was fond of saying, kids sure say the darndest things…;)

Ann_C

I found it. Here is the proof the God allowed us to be Deaf or Blind so that God may be glorified:

John 9:1 As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. John 9:2 His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
John 9:3 “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life. John 9:4 As long as it is day, we must do the work of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work. John 9:5 While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

Note: Jesus gave an example about the Blind man. That includes disabilities of all kinds, including Deafness, because in those scriptures Jesus was not going to list every kind of disability. He just wanted to make a point there.

Whoa! It says here that it was nobody’s fault we became Deaf or Blind, whatnot, but that IT HAPPENED SO THAT THE WORK OF GOD MAY BE DISPLAYED (REVEALED) (HIS POWER).

When God in his own timing, heals a Blind person or a Deaf person, it is to show people that God has power. It is to display his power. Jesus healed people because IT IS THE WORK OF GOD WHO SENT JESUS into this world, to minister and let HIS light shine to all those that will believe.

That is why God also said HE knew who WE were before the foundation of this world. He already KNEW we would be Deaf. To what purpose? To fulfill God’s word, to make it come to pass, and to give a great display to witnesses that God can heal, because God has power. It IS to amaze and confound people.

John Critser

Also, besides healing the Deaf and Blind, God wanted to show the world that anybody can receive Jesus as their Lord and savior, that the Blind and the Deaf are not exceptions. God wanted to present the diversities to this world to show that God can outreach and touch anybody. On example, a Deaf minister can preach in a hearing church, with the help of a voice interpreter. I have spoke in hearing churches before and the hearing congregation was such AWED by the wisdom of God given to me, a profoundly Deaf man who cannot talk that well. People PRAISED God. That is the exactly the kind of response I want people to give, in giving GLORY to God, not to man. I am just a man. A Deaf man. I am not worthy. Only the Lord is worthy. If God speaks through me, let those who have ears (eyes) to hear (see), to hear (see) what the Spirit says to the Churches. The Glory belongs to God, and HIM only. I only can share HIS message.

John Critser

*laughs*

If man is imperfect and wrote the Bible, it is a flawed book. Conversely, King James consolidated many books, but left out a many other gospels.

The Bible was written by man, so it is imperfect. Part of that “beauty” of the Bible is the imperfections that allows people to interpret everything is says/preaches. If God wanted human robots, we’d all never sin.

God has a sadistic sense of humor.
:)

Paotie

Paotie

I believe Paotie said no evangelizing, John C.

Karen Mayes

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John Critser

Well, John C. you put your foot in your mouth now, preaching (sharing the faith, as one would call it.) The greatest “sin” is pride and your comment screams of your pride, showing of your “knowledge” of the Bible, when in truth we know NOTHING. All we have is just theories that are forever being changed everyday on the discoveries, so that makes your “preaching” kind of overblown.

You have to RESPECT people’s walks with God. Even Paotie’s walk with God, atheist or not.

Karen Mayes

karen, you cannot attempt to muzzle an ox, or someone that has knowledge by default, not by pride. It’s a joy to share knowledge to others that may not know. I didn’t know all this before someone taught me. I didn’t call that person who taught me “prideful,” either. I was sharing what I have learned, and what is wrong with that? Go ahead share your own beliefs, and philosophies. I’ll read them without calling you anything.

John Critser

karen:

You just shot yourself in the foot with this comment:

“I believe Paotie said no evangelizing, John C.”

Why? Because evangelizing only has to do with salvation. I was merely discussing why I believed God allowed us to become Deaf. That is a good question to discuss. I used Biblical point of views to address that, simply. Evangelizing is like a Billy Graham preaching before 100,000 people then at the end of service making a call for salvation.

The Bible is part of the equation. It IS the best selling book. I happen to like to discuss the best-selling book, if you will.

John Critser

John,
I’m not sure what your background was before you learned about this. I grew up in the Christian church. I went several times a week all during childhood because my mother was the church secretary. I have been an active member of three churches as an adult until my hearing got so bad I couldn’t hear. I even taught Sunday School for several years. Many people who want to share their Christian beliefs think others don’t know, when in fact we’ve already read the Bible and come to our own conclusions about the Bible, God, faith, etc. As I said, there is a spiritual inner “voice” I listen to. I believe when I became deaf, this is what God meant for me to hear. LaRonda has talked a little bit about this in her blog. Quakers believe each person is born with “that of God” within– which means we’re each born with a Holy Spirit, an inner voice, and the ability to interpret God’s Word for ourselves. This is how I now believe. As Karen said, we’re each on our own special walk with God. :-)

kim

Kim,

You said:

“Many people who want to share their Christian beliefs think others don’t know, when in fact we’ve already read the Bible and come to our own conclusions about the Bible, God, faith, etc.”

Did I say that I thought others didn’t know? I pointed out scriptures John 9:1-5, because you said:

“I do not think God makes people Deaf or blind or strikes them with any kind of illness. It just happens.”

If you said you’ve already read the Bible and come to a conclusion, then this comment indicates you might have overlooked John 9:1-5.

God doesn’t have to strike us Deaf or Blind. It just happened and God used the occasion to display his power, to amaze and confound people. God allowed it. Neither we or our parents haven’t sinned in causing us to be Deaf, but ALL have sin and come short of God’s glory. Hence, God’s glory is revealed when God does some kind of supernatural act when people otherwise believed the Deaf or Blind would never hear or see again.

John Critser

Karen,

It’s not evangelizing– it’s sermonizing and it’s past Sunday, John. :)

Ann_C

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John Critser

Ann_C, who said only on Sundays can sermonize? Or teach? or share? Sunday is a steretypical date to talk about God. Actually we can any day, any hour, and anywhere, and wear anything when we do, and even do it on the internet. It’s not just a small church with a white picket fence and bells ringing, wearing suits and red ties. And why it’s evolved from evangelizing to sermonizing, when it’s just a discussion? It might resemble a debate yes. There is a fine line between discussions and debates.

John Critser

John, the request belongs to Paotie and not to the commenters here when it comes to whether to continue with the sermonizing/evangelizing or not in here. He was specifically clear on the “no evangelizing.” Let’s not get dishonest here by acts of deception.

McConnell:

Deception? Whatever happened to free speech? The freedom to comment. You don’t have to read my comments. I don’t usually read your comments, or your blog.

Deception is to deceive people hoodwinking them into some cult religion or something like that. My biblical discussions was like having Graham Crackers with milk. Deception is like drinking blood and reciting from the satanic bible. I was discussing a book bestseller of all time, if you will, which happens to be the Bible.

John Critser

Sermonizing/evangelizing ..

Semantics .. semantics .. semantics.

:)

Paotie

Paotie

Well, John, the sermonizing is close to putting people to sleep here. And believe me, I’ve had more than enough of my share of listening to sermons, many of them put me to, well…ZZZZZzzzzzz. Yes, Paotie’s blog is meant to open discussion about a subject, but it’s not a church pulpit. I also think Paotie has been more than courteous enough to allow you to comment here a number of times, considering he is not of religious inclination.

Ann_C

Uh, John, it’s a privilege to comment in any blogs, not a right to free speech or expression. Let’s not get the two confused here. Paotie is the moderator and decides which comments are acceptable or not. There is no “freedom” per se, John. As for choice, true, it’s up to the readers to read blogs and the comments that go with them. But that’s not what I’m getting at.

As for deception, did you or did you not understand what Paotie said about evangelizing? Did you or did you not evangelize/sermonize just recently after being told not to? Was there not an implied understanding here and that you agreed to it? Or will the excuse be of feigned ignorance?

Really, it’s up to Paotie and I don’t want to step on his toes (well, maybe run over his feet with a snowboard!! No snow here, yet) and the discretion is all his and not mine or the readers here. That’s all I have to say, John.

John, I do not wish to be blunt, but I have read the Bible and that very passage that has now been deleted from your previous post, and I came to a different conclusion– which was that God doesn’t make people sick, blind, deaf, Deaf, cause accidents to happen, children to be born without limbs, or to become paralyzed or to be stricken with cancer and whatever other horrors happen to people. I am not going to quote from the Bible, because I don’t feel this is the appropriate place. I do believe there is a purpose for all of us no matter what, and we can find peace in our lives because of God’s grace. I don’t expect anyone to agree with me and it’s fine if others interpret the Bible differently or if they don’t have any faith at all. It’s understandable. That’s their choice, their path. I’m fully aware I don’t have all the answers. Mainly I just try to do the best I can, all the while knowing I deserve nothing because I fall far short of God’s expectations.

kim

Kim, I wish everyone had the humility to admit that he/she don’t have all the answers, only God knows, if one believes in even that. Paotie was trying to point out the hypocrisy that some members of Deaf culture have towards others who are not like them. They practice a form of intolerance and exclusion so common to insular groups. Is Deaf Christian an oxymoron? Yes, when these members profess to be open-armed and welcoming to all deaf, but don’t practice what they preach.

Ann_C

I don’t have all the answers honestly. Nobody has to agree with me, either. I don’t bite either, too. But I am glad I felt that I could offer my interpretation of some issues discussed here.

John Critser

Wow!! This was most definitely something to follow. And I got a few laughs here and there. Of course, I had some frowns here and there too, but that part I will keep to myself. But anyway, thanks everyone for sharing.

Personally, I like the ones than were more personal and not so preachy. A little turned off there. Yes, the bible is one heck of a book and has so much to share and teach everyone (a lot of wisdom is what I meant) and I do believe there was only one person that could teach/touch us and that was the Man upstairs! The bible make a great many good people, but it also made a great many bad people too. They all have their interpretations and their belief what is right and wrong. And that is an issue best left alone for the individual to figure out and not to be preached, if they wanted to hear it they will go to bible study or church. So, I think it is best to leave it be. But I was surprised that John didn’t get the hint. Like everyone said, this book was written by man and do we honesty trust man?? C’mon, you saw the Monty group here!! ;-) Sorry all, forgive me? We can’t take just one book at face value, we need to explore and research and read other books too. I always like the ones with awesome experiences the best – they are a fun read or a fun hear – as you all know – my wife reads so much and has so much to tell. Thanks sweets!

Oh I have so much to tell, but lack the ability right now as I have been typing all day and my brain is going against me to stop and just veggie-ate!! So, later and all happy blogging!! Gonna read Mike’s tomorrow!

Brian L. Mayes

Thanks Ann :-)

Also to John– When I was at work today I didn’t get a chance to address this as I wanted, but the reason I am so familiar with the verses John:1-5 is that they are among a very few passages in the Bible that leave open the possibility of reincarnation– which I also believe in.

When Jesus’ disciples ask if the man who was BORN blind was blind because he sinned or was born blind because of his parents’ sin, Jesus answered neither, then yada, yada, yada. . . . Obviously, the disciples believed in reincarnation. How could a man have sinned before he was born??? In fact, most Jews believed in reincarnation at that time. Oddly enough, Jesus didn’t tell them they were foolish to believe the man had lived before. Instead, he explains how it was all part of God’s plan that the man be born blind so Jesus could heal him. So there’s your alternate interpretation. I’m sure there are other interpretations as well. :-)

The Bible wasn’t written until 300 years after Jesus was crucified. The Nicene left things out. I believe some of what was left out was motivated by Roman politics– but that’s just me.

Kim

Here is yet another interpretation:

We are blind to seeing that there is a God in front of us, so Jesus used the blind/deaf/all others to wake up and see that He is alive and there for us. We are so blind to the daily routines of our lifes here on earth that we don’t see the glory or the beauty around us that is God.

Just my 2 cents…

Brian L. Mayes

Well that is a really nice interpretation Brian. I LOVE that! I do feel since my deafness I have become a much more visual person. This is one thing I like about being deaf. :-) As to John’s interpretation, I know of others who have interpreted it that way as we’ve discussed this same scripture on another list I belong to. Some people become very upset with that one, because they feel it’s selfish of God to make a person deaf or blind just so Jesus can “glorify” himself by healing them in front of others. And anyway– what about those Jesus DIDN’T heal??

You know, it’s funny how people take things. You have to be careful about quoting scripture. So I don’t. Among the late-deafened there can be tremendous bitterness and feelings of loss. Many are dealing with more than just the loss of their hearing– Loss of social life, loss of hobbies, identity, sometimes loss of spouse if there is a divorce involved, loss of work. . . I don’t mean to ramble here, but preaching to grieving people can be rather touchy. It can do more harm than good. I have met many people who have been driven away from the Christian religion because of what they experienced from well-meaning Christians during periods of grief.

Yes, Kim, you have a good point there! I guess, we’ll just that to wait until we see Him to get the answer! :-)

But, wow on the addition. I never thought of it that deeply! I just thought of another thing, being deaf or what-have-you could be a blessing too… Really, sometimes I’m glad I don’t have to “hear” everything cuz there is a lot out there I wouldn’t want to know… ;-) Keep rumbling cuz I like reading them!

Brian L. Mayes

Hi Paotie

This is very interesting.

As for Jesus hating Deaf people, I don’t think so, because God Is Love and He Loves everyone. And most people don’t have any idea what that kind of Love is.

And I can take you to meet a girl in Mexico that was born deaf, and was healed by Jesus of being deaf and dumb, when she was 6 years old in July 2002, the last I heard she was in school with her hearing friends.

That’s just one example of faith in the power of the God of our universe.

Keep on doing your thing, you are doing what you enjoy, and I think it is great that you have a forum of freedom of speech. Blessings and Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year Ch

Chuck

This comment is way late, which may make me a dork, but I just read this.

I’ve seen your comments on recent blogs I’ve read, and honestly your mannerisms annoy me, the way you insult someone mildly (or not so) then
*shrug innocently* and :o )

:D

However, since you annoyed me, I was intrigued, and found this essay first. And this? Is the funniest thing I’ve read in ages. I giggled like I did when I used to read the Harvard Lampoon, and I was in high school then so I had a reasonable excuse.

I loved “unmercifully attacks them until they either become Deaf or become British – whichever is worse.”

Mac

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